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Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:29 am
by Deleted User 104
ousdahl wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:56 pm
lobster wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:19 pm I agree, but let's just teach as American history.

I can speak more freely on this as one of my Grandma's was a Native American Indian.
Native American Grandma?

but I thought that dude was Jewish?
Let's see if you can figure out how it could be possible that someone could be Native American and Jewish.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:32 am
by Deleted User 104
Geezer wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:47 pm Bullshit.

Pity party for the white man.
Yet another example of you not being able to discuss a topic openly and honestly without going from 0 to 10. Let's cool our emotions and stick to logic.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:05 am
by Leawood
“Stick to logic.” Lobster 11-30-2019 @ 2:39 a.m.

Nice to start my day with a laugh.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:06 am
by Trustee
Curveballs!

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:08 am
by Shirley
Makes you wonder what she was wearing?

Four men confess to gang rape of woman they later burned alive, Indian police say

...The woman was a veterinarian and the incident took place on November 27, R. Venkatesh, Police Inspector from Shamshabad Police Station in Hyderabad told CNN.

"Four people have been arrested and they have confessed to sexual assault with the victim. Due to the sexual assault and the force, she became semi-conscious," he said.

"They put her body in a lorry and took her to a different location where they put her body under the bridge and poured diesel fuel and petrol (gasoline) on her body and burnt her," Venkatesh added.

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Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:08 am
by HouseDivided
lobster wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:32 am
Geezer wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:47 pm Bullshit.

Pity party for the white man.
Yet another example of you not being able to discuss a topic openly and honestly without going from 0 to 10. Let's cool our emotions and stick to logic.
Outrage and name-calling trump common sense and logic at all times.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:11 am
by Deleted User 89
Leawood wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:05 am “Stick to logic.” Lobster 11-30-2019 @ 2:39 a.m.

Nice to start my day with a laugh.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:45 pm
by DrPepper
HouseDivided wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:11 pm
lobster wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:19 pm ... let's just teach as American history.

I can speak more freely on this as one of my Grandma's was a Native American Indian.
That’s the whole issue. Today, movies can’t be actual history; they have to be fictional versions that push a socially-acceptable narrative, even if it makes the story ridiculous, boring, intellectually insulting, and generally unwatchable. Can’t have Hollywood committing thought crimes.
Have you watched the musical Hamilton? The open casting call, including cultural diversity, makes for very interesting story telling. A black George Washington? Hispanic Alexander Hamilton? Those were great performances and opportunities for people normally given very few available roles.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:57 pm
by Shirley
Navajo Country Music Pays Tribute to ‘Indian Cowboys’ and Outlaw Legends

SHIPROCK, N.M. — They started out from hamlets deep in the Navajo Nation, driving hours on washboard roads. When the Saturday night crowd finally arrived at Redd’s, the parking lot swelled with pickup trucks.

Clad in Wrangler jeans and cowboy boots, they danced under the dim lights to bands playing outlaw country classics by singers such as Waylon Jennings. Between songs, couples murmured sweet nothings to each other in English and Diné Bizaad, the Navajo language enduring in this part of the West.

“I’m not silversmithing or painting but the music I make is still a kind of art,” said Travis Mose, 42, the vocalist for The Wanderers, a Navajo country band whose musicians drove two hours from Halchita, Utah, to perform that recent night in Shiprock. “This music touches our people inside.”

At highway honky-tonks, casino lounges and far-flung dance halls, a form of music that many associate with rural white America is flourishing in the heart of Indian country. Dozens of bands vie for shows on the circuit each week, reflecting how one of the largest tribes in the United States is shattering long-held stereotypes of “cowboys and Indians.”

...Diné-speaking D.J.s on radio stations like KTNN broadcast country songs across an area larger than West Virginia. Throughout the reservation, ranching skills like sheep butchering and bronco and bull riding are prized.

Defining just what comprises Navajo country music depends on who’s talking. Generally speaking, the genre draws from a canon by country legends including Merle Haggard and Buck Owens — more tilted, perhaps, to the Southwest than Nashville — sometimes blending Diné phrases into the songs.

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Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:54 pm
by DCHawk1
DrPepper wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:45 pm
HouseDivided wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:11 pm
lobster wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:19 pm ... let's just teach as American history.

I can speak more freely on this as one of my Grandma's was a Native American Indian.
That’s the whole issue. Today, movies can’t be actual history; they have to be fictional versions that push a socially-acceptable narrative, even if it makes the story ridiculous, boring, intellectually insulting, and generally unwatchable. Can’t have Hollywood committing thought crimes.
Have you watched the musical Hamilton? The open casting call, including cultural diversity, makes for very interesting story telling. A black George Washington? Hispanic Alexander Hamilton? Those were great performances and opportunities for people normally given very few available roles.
As far as I'm concerned, anything that lionizes the nation's most important early capitalist, the founder of the Bank of New York, the godfather of the federal reserve system, Madison's partner in drafting the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the author if 51 of the 85 Federalist Papers, and an early and adamant opponent of the french Revolution and the First French Republic, is fine by me. The actors involved be could red, white, and blue for all care.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:03 pm
by Deleted User 89
Feral wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:57 pm Navajo Country Music Pays Tribute to ‘Indian Cowboys’ and Outlaw Legends

SHIPROCK, N.M. — They started out from hamlets deep in the Navajo Nation, driving hours on washboard roads. When the Saturday night crowd finally arrived at Redd’s, the parking lot swelled with pickup trucks.

Clad in Wrangler jeans and cowboy boots, they danced under the dim lights to bands playing outlaw country classics by singers such as Waylon Jennings. Between songs, couples murmured sweet nothings to each other in English and Diné Bizaad, the Navajo language enduring in this part of the West.

“I’m not silversmithing or painting but the music I make is still a kind of art,” said Travis Mose, 42, the vocalist for The Wanderers, a Navajo country band whose musicians drove two hours from Halchita, Utah, to perform that recent night in Shiprock. “This music touches our people inside.”

At highway honky-tonks, casino lounges and far-flung dance halls, a form of music that many associate with rural white America is flourishing in the heart of Indian country. Dozens of bands vie for shows on the circuit each week, reflecting how one of the largest tribes in the United States is shattering long-held stereotypes of “cowboys and Indians.”

...Diné-speaking D.J.s on radio stations like KTNN broadcast country songs across an area larger than West Virginia. Throughout the reservation, ranching skills like sheep butchering and bronco and bull riding are prized.

Defining just what comprises Navajo country music depends on who’s talking. Generally speaking, the genre draws from a canon by country legends including Merle Haggard and Buck Owens — more tilted, perhaps, to the Southwest than Nashville — sometimes blending Diné phrases into the songs.

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thanks for that...good find

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:52 pm
by DrPepper
DCHawk1 wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:54 pm
DrPepper wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:45 pm
HouseDivided wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:11 pm

That’s the whole issue. Today, movies can’t be actual history; they have to be fictional versions that push a socially-acceptable narrative, even if it makes the story ridiculous, boring, intellectually insulting, and generally unwatchable. Can’t have Hollywood committing thought crimes.
Have you watched the musical Hamilton? The open casting call, including cultural diversity, makes for very interesting story telling. A black George Washington? Hispanic Alexander Hamilton? Those were great performances and opportunities for people normally given very few available roles.
As far as I'm concerned, anything that lionizes the nation's most important early capitalist, the founder of the Bank of New York, the godfather of the federal reserve system, Madison's partner in drafting the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the author if 51 of the 85 Federalist Papers, and an early and adamant opponent of the french Revolution and the First French Republic, is fine by me. The actors involved be could red, white, and blue for all care.
I’ve been wanting to read numbers 65 & 66.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:07 pm
by DCHawk1
66 is pretty interesting.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:12 pm
by ousdahl
65 and 66 were great, but the best one has always been 69.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:30 am
by Deleted User 89

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:41 am
by HouseDivided
DrPepper wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:45 pm
HouseDivided wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:11 pm
lobster wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:19 pm ... let's just teach as American history.

I can speak more freely on this as one of my Grandma's was a Native American Indian.
That’s the whole issue. Today, movies can’t be actual history; they have to be fictional versions that push a socially-acceptable narrative, even if it makes the story ridiculous, boring, intellectually insulting, and generally unwatchable. Can’t have Hollywood committing thought crimes.
Have you watched the musical Hamilton? The open casting call, including cultural diversity, makes for very interesting story telling. A black George Washington? Hispanic Alexander Hamilton? Those were great performances and opportunities for people normally given very few available roles.
And the point of doing that is what, exactly?

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:02 am
by DrPepper
Like I said: Allowing more opportunity for exceptionally talented black, Latino, Asian, anyone-not-white to get good roles, good pay, use their talents, etc. in theater.
It is good for theater at the box office too. By my judgement, Hamilton has a more culturally diverse audience.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:14 am
by DrPepper
As for “the very interesting story telling,” at first I completely was oblivious to the fact that a black actor was playing George Washington. But then I started pondering it.... how amazing it would have been if that time period was not so raciest. There absolutely could have been a black US military general and a black US president long before 1940 and 2009. So, personally, the cultural and race mixmash on the stage of a historical story DID make me ponder racism, the damage it has caused non-whites, and the opportunities for advancement that whites like me short-changed ourselves.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:56 am
by HouseDivided
DrPepper wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:02 am Like I said: Allowing more opportunity for exceptionally talented black, Latino, Asian, anyone-not-white to get good roles, good pay, use their talents, etc. in theater.
It is good for theater at the box office too. By my judgement, Hamilton has a more culturally diverse audience.
So, we pretend like George Washington was black and Thomas Jefferson was Latino, but if a white actor plays a minority, it is an outrage? Got it.

Re: Totally random thread

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:08 am
by Deleted User 62
HouseDivided wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:56 am
DrPepper wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:02 am Like I said: Allowing more opportunity for exceptionally talented black, Latino, Asian, anyone-not-white to get good roles, good pay, use their talents, etc. in theater.
It is good for theater at the box office too. By my judgement, Hamilton has a more culturally diverse audience.
So, we pretend like George Washington was black and Thomas Jefferson was Latino, but if a white actor plays a minority, it is an outrage? Got it.
Some top shelf whinery there House...