Kansas Crimson

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:05 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:45 pm

Leawood wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:17 pm Just wondering:

1. What are the other social services that are already in existence to feed school age children?

2. Are there any studies out there that correlate a child's hunger and ability to learn in a school setting?

1.) Welfare, Food Stamps, food pantries, and multiple faith-based free meal programs in my area.

2.) I’m sure there are. Again, why is it incumbent upon the school to fill that role?

I'm the chairman of my daughter's high school LSC here in Chicago. We have an excellent principal who has engineered an amazing turnaround of a struggling public school.

But we will continue to struggle. Because this same principal has made a decision that he wants to make sure that the school is available to anyone in the city who wants a public school education. Neighborhood kids have priority and they make up about 30 percent of our students. But the school is open to anyone who who can make it, so we have kids who take 2-3 buses and travel more than an hour to get here.

We have a lot of kids who don't feel safe in their "local school." Some are in very poor neighborhoods like Austin. And they are good students who value an education and feel safer at this school. And they also get breakfast.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:31 pm are you volunteering to fill that role instead?

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:46 pm Yup. Cuz only Republicans do that.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:45 pm

Leawood wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:17 pm Just wondering:

1. What are the other social services that are already in existence to feed school age children?

2. Are there any studies out there that correlate a child's hunger and ability to learn in a school setting?

1.) Welfare, Food Stamps, food pantries, and multiple faith-based free meal programs in my area.

2.) I’m sure there are. Again, why is it incumbent upon the school to fill that role?

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:03 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:45 pm

Leawood wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:17 pm Just wondering:

1. What are the other social services that are already in existence to feed school age children?

2. Are there any studies out there that correlate a child's hunger and ability to learn in a school setting?

1.) Welfare, Food Stamps, food pantries, and multiple faith-based free meal programs in my area.

2.) I’m sure there are. Again, why is it incumbent upon the school to fill that role?

If a kid can't get healthy, adequate food at home, I have no problem as a member of the community in helping to bridge that gap. Again, we vote on such things in bond issues and other funding discussions so that members of our community are given the chance to argue against such actions if they don't want their tax dollars spent that way.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:42 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:31 pm are you volunteering to fill that role instead?

Taxes pay for services in place that make what the schools are doing redundant. I’m still waiting for an answer to my original question.

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:45 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:42 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:31 pm are you volunteering to fill that role instead?

Taxes pay for services in place that make what the schools are doing redundant. I’m still waiting for an answer to my original question.

I believe the idea behind a social service is to make the service as easy for as many people as possible. If they can get a hot meal for breakfast at their school, why not? Could it make them better students to know that they are in a safe environment and not hungry at the same time? It's also more efficient as they can eat, learn and be in a safe environment at the same time.

Why do schools have social workers? Isn't that redundant as well?

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:31 pm How long is the lunch period in elementary school?
Is it beneficial to allow children to enter school early enough to eat breakfast?
Do you give a shit about any children but your own?

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:37 pm

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:45 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:42 pm

Taxes pay for services in place that make what the schools are doing redundant. I’m still waiting for an answer to my original question.

I believe the idea behind a social service is to make the service as easy for as many people as possible. If they can get a hot meal for breakfast at their school, why not? Could it make them better students to know that they are in a safe environment and not hungry at the same time? It's also more efficient as they can eat, learn and be in a safe environment at the same time.

Why do schools have social workers? Isn't that redundant as well?

So it's a convenience issue. Got it.

And, yes, I think having school social workers is redundant as well.

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:57 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:37 pm

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:45 pm

I believe the idea behind a social service is to make the service as easy for as many people as possible. If they can get a hot meal for breakfast at their school, why not? Could it make them better students to know that they are in a safe environment and not hungry at the same time? It's also more efficient as they can eat, learn and be in a safe environment at the same time.

Why do schools have social workers? Isn't that redundant as well?

So it's a convenience issue. Got it.

And, yes, I think having school social workers is redundant as well.

All you need to know about Psych in two paragraphs, folks.

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:55 pm Nobody is getting your money for feeding kids twice. You want the 8 year olds taking a bus to the soup kitchen for lunch? The most efficient way to feed them is at school.

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:39 pm

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:31 pm How long is the lunch period in elementary school?
Is it beneficial to allow children to enter school early enough to eat breakfast?
Do you give a shit about any children but your own?

I do. My question, again, is, if we are already paying for the same services that are available elsewhere in the community, why are we paying for them again, and at the same time using money that could be going toward computers, books, smaller classroom sizes, etc.? I don't think it is a confusing question, but everybody seems to be assuming that I want the school to be full of scared, cold, hungry kids.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:04 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:39 pm

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:31 pm How long is the lunch period in elementary school?
Is it beneficial to allow children to enter school early enough to eat breakfast?
Do you give a shit about any children but your own?

I do. My question, again, is, if we are already paying for the same services that are available elsewhere in the community, why are we paying for them again, and at the same time using money that could be going toward computers, books, smaller classroom sizes, etc.? I don't think it is a confusing question, but everybody seems to be assuming that I want the school to be full of scared, cold, hungry kids.

I think there are probably lots of reasons.

Logistical ones, a kid can't leave school every day at lunch to go to the grocery store to use his foodstamps.

To fill in the gaps. There are probably a lot of families who are relatively poor but not poor enough to qualify for some other the programs.

Some students may just have bad parents who don't provide for them properly.

You're viewing it as a redundancy when maybe it's more of a fail-safe. And a new textbook or a smaller class might be less important to a kid who isn't eating meals regularly.

I hate government waste, but I'm bothered much more by someone who fakes an injury to get social security disability benefits or lies about their income to get food stamps, and not at all bothered if a kid gets his lunch subsidized even though the catholic church next door has some canned goods he could go get for free.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:04 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:39 pm

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:31 pm How long is the lunch period in elementary school?
Is it beneficial to allow children to enter school early enough to eat breakfast?
Do you give a shit about any children but your own?

I do. My question, again, is, if we are already paying for the same services that are available elsewhere in the community, why are we paying for them again, and at the same time using money that could be going toward computers, books, smaller classroom sizes, etc.? I don't think it is a confusing question, but everybody seems to be assuming that I want the school to be full of scared, cold, hungry kids.

I think there are probably lots of reasons.

Logistical ones, a kid can't leave school every day at lunch to go to the grocery store to use his foodstamps.

To fill in the gaps. There are probably a lot of families who are relatively poor but not poor enough to qualify for some other the programs.

Some students may just have bad parents who don't provide for them properly.

You're viewing it as a redundancy when maybe it's more of a fail-safe. And a new textbook or a smaller class might be less important to a kid who isn't eating meals regularly.

I hate government waste, but I'm bothered much more by someone who fakes an injury to get social security disability benefits or lies about their income to get food stamps, and not at all bothered if a kid gets his lunch subsidized even though the catholic church next door has some canned goods he could go get for free.

Geezer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:31 pm
Do you give a shit about any children but your own?

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:57 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:37 pm

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:45 pm

I believe the idea behind a social service is to make the service as easy for as many people as possible. If they can get a hot meal for breakfast at their school, why not? Could it make them better students to know that they are in a safe environment and not hungry at the same time? It's also more efficient as they can eat, learn and be in a safe environment at the same time.

Why do schools have social workers? Isn't that redundant as well?

So it's a convenience issue. Got it.

And, yes, I think having school social workers is redundant as well.

All you need to know about Psych in two paragraphs, folks.