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jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 am https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wak ... -is-a-hoax

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

pdub wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:47 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 am https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/wak ... -is-a-hoax

Superb.

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:05 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:29 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:05 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:44 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:29 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:05 am

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

It's just like the voter fraud QOP nonsense.

Can you find examples of people who choose not to work because of the government bennies? Sure you can.

Are the government bennies the widespread cause of labor shortages? They are not.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:14 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:44 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:29 am

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

It's just like the voter fraud QOP nonsense.

Can you find examples of people who choose not to work because of the government bennies? Sure you can.

Are the government bennies the widespread cause of labor shortages? They are not.

They only need an n of 1.

hasbeen wrote: ↑Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:20 am I don't really know what to make of the revised CDC recommendations. It seems like they're acknowledging the tradeoffs from continuing longer term isolation, but I'd rather they didn't. I want them to provide the best recommendations based on the science and then let elected officials and people make decisions weighing the different tradeoffs.

What's also concerning to me is they don't appear to know how many of the cases today are Omicron vs Delta. It seemed encouraging when they thought Omicron accounted for like 78% of current cases because there's strong evidence it's a more mild version, but they revised downward big time and it appears Delta is still king.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:29 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:05 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:48 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:29 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:05 am

The argument would be that the staffing shortage is being caused by the Government pumping a shit load of money into the economy and expanded unemployment benefits. As in, you're not allowing the free market to work, and then claiming that as proof that the free market doesn't work.

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo ... 9-pandemic

It looks like the Boomers have finally started retiring in higher numbers during covid as well. 2.4M of us retired earlier than planned. That opened up a lot of good jobs for younger people to move up, and then another layer under them.

Don't expect 65 year olds to come out of retirement to fill jobs flipping burgers.

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:36 pm

japhy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:48 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:29 am

That certainly could be a factor.

It seems like quite the indictment of the free market tho if workers can enjoy considerably better income from literal pandemic relief insurance, than from the wages the free market offers.

But haven’t most of the benefits since lapsed? As in, most workers are no longer suckling from Mich’s teat?

It could also be a free market phenomenon of workers simply going out and getting better jobs.

It could also be a free market decision to just stay home to watch kids, rather than spend so much of your wages on childcare.

Or, it could be that much of the population of those essential workers simply died. They were and are among the most vulnerable, and the least likely to be able to afford adequate healthcare, after all.

There’s a lot of factors at play here.

But again, I struggle to believe these positions would still remain vacant if more competitive wages were offered.

And since you mentioned gummint pumping money into the economy, I wonder how many of these business gladly took those PPP loans or whatever, then turned around and vilified workers for taking pandemic relief assistance, and stuff.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo ... 9-pandemic

It looks like the Boomers have finally started retiring in higher numbers during covid as well. 2.4M of us retired earlier than planned. That opened up a lot of good jobs for younger people to move up, and then another layer under them.

Don't expect 65 year olds to come out of retirement to fill jobs flipping burgers.

yea, but when the entry level workers all think they should be jumping into CEO spots...

or that they're going to make millions on Instagram. ...

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:22 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

It's not a shortage of people who need jobs. It is a shortage of people who have a work ethic and take pride in doing a good job. It is pretty simple: Do your job well. Be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. If you don't like your current job, get a better one. Until then, do your job well. Not sure why that is so confusing.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:07 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:22 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:50 am Is there any, uh, “free market” argument for the staffing shortage?

Which is to say, maybe it’s a wage shortage?

Do we really think workers would really turn it down if jobs really paid a competitive wage?

How many of you would be willing to serve sushi to psych during a pandemic for $2.13 an hour?

It's not a shortage of people who need jobs. It is a shortage of people who have a work ethic and take pride in doing a good job. It is pretty simple: Do your job well. Be where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be there. If you don't like your current job, get a better one. Until then, do your job well. Not sure why that is so confusing.

This sure comes off as hollow, paternalistic bullshit.