Kansas Crimson

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:35 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:33 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:27 pm

That would be a more accurate representation of the voting populace. Theres already a mechanism in place for this right? Maine and Nebraska have a similar type set up.

This then puts the emphasis on gerrymandering Congressional districts. Look at NC and Michigan. The total votes for the two parties are nearly equal but there is a huge disparity in congressional representation

So what's your solution?

National popular vote. Or, EV of each state being split to account for National popular vote. My proposal would be to allocate all but two EV proportionate to the percentage vote in the State rounded up, then two allocated to popular vote winner.

As an example, Georgia is practically tied. So, the sixteen votes would be split 9 Biden, 7 Trump (7 each based on State vote, plus two National)

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:40 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:35 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:31 pm

Wyoming gets 3 votes. You get 55.

Exactly. We have 70x the population. It would be equitable if we got 210 EV

Nah, you guys elected Newsome. I dont know if California should decide the country. But very Californian of you to think so

BTW that’s probably also the ratio by which we subsidize the small-population states with tax $$$$$

All that scenario is is popular vote with 2 extra to popular vote. Gives even more power to the big city population.

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:45 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:40 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:35 pm

Exactly. We have 70x the population. It would be equitable if we got 210 EV

Nah, you guys elected Newsome. I dont know if California should decide the country. But very Californian of you to think so

BTW that’s probably also the ratio by which we subsidize the small-population states with tax $$$$$

Wyoming produces a lot of food, oil, and minerals that california uses.

I don’t think that’s a fight any state wants to pick with California.

In relation to what stays in state?

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:46 pm All that scenario is is popular vote with 2 extra to popular vote. Gives even more power to the big city population.

AKA people.

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:50 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:45 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:40 pm

Nah, you guys elected Newsome. I dont know if California should decide the country. But very Californian of you to think so

BTW that’s probably also the ratio by which we subsidize the small-population states with tax $$$$$

Wyoming produces a lot of food, oil, and minerals that california uses.

No state produces more food for our nation than California. Good grief.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:30 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:50 pm

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:45 pm

BTW that’s probably also the ratio by which we subsidize the small-population states with tax $$$$$

Wyoming produces a lot of food, oil, and minerals that california uses.

No state produces more food for our nation than California. Good grief.

not where the 95% of the votes are gathered. Unless they're doing some extreme vertical gardens on a grand scale.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:28 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:46 pm All that scenario is is popular vote with 2 extra to popular vote. Gives even more power to the big city population.

AKA people.

This is why we need more state decisions and less federal. Jeavily populated cities should bot make all the decisions for all areas.


You live in 1 of the states that splits its vote, which is one of the options on the table.....and rhis is the best you can do to add to the discussion?

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:37 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:28 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:46 pm All that scenario is is popular vote with 2 extra to popular vote. Gives even more power to the big city population.

AKA people.

This is why we need more state decisions and less federal. Jeavily populated cities should bot make all the decisions for all areas.


You live in 1 of the states that splits its vote, which is one of the options on the table.....and rhis is the best you can do to add to the discussion?

No, it is a response to a comment.

I have discussed numerous times my desire to see the electoral college eliminated. It is antiquated and no longer works with the size of our nation.

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:30 am

TDub wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:50 pm

Wyoming produces a lot of food, oil, and minerals that california uses.

No state produces more food for our nation than California. Good grief.

not where the 95% of the votes are gathered. Unless they're doing some extreme vertical gardens on a grand scale.

Who the fuck cares where in the state it comes from. They got a lot of cow farms and oil rigs in downtown Cheyenne?

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:43 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:30 am
No state produces more food for our nation than California. Good grief.

not where the 95% of the votes are gathered. Unless they're doing some extreme vertical gardens on a grand scale.

Who the fuck cares where in the state it comes from. They got a lot of cow farms and oil rigs in downtown Cheyenne?

Cheyenne has 50k people. Not 10 million.

lotta goal posts getting moved up in here

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:24 am In relation to what stays in state?

More generally in relation to which states are producers, and which are takers. California is one of very few states - perhaps the only one? - that could be a leading country of its own.

Thatd be ok with me

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:00 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:24 am In relation to what stays in state?

More generally in relation to which states are producers, and which are takers. California is one of very few states - perhaps the only one? - that could be a leading country of its own.

I know this is a false equivalency skewed directly by port location.... but Cali imports 3x-4x more in goods than it exports

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:44 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:43 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:35 am

not where the 95% of the votes are gathered. Unless they're doing some extreme vertical gardens on a grand scale.

Who the fuck cares where in the state it comes from. They got a lot of cow farms and oil rigs in downtown Cheyenne?

Cheyenne has 50k people. Not 10 million.

I dont discount a person's value for living in a larger city. Their vote should have equal value.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:54 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:44 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:43 am
Who the fuck cares where in the state it comes from. They got a lot of cow farms and oil rigs in downtown Cheyenne?

Cheyenne has 50k people. Not 10 million.

I dont discount a person's value for living in a larger city. Their vote should have equal value.

So, like I have said, you would like 10-15 cities to determine the policy for an entire country

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:59 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:54 am

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:44 am

Cheyenne has 50k people. Not 10 million.

I dont discount a person's value for living in a larger city. Their vote should have equal value.

So, like I have said, you would like 10-15 cities to determine the policy for an entire country

I would like everyone's vote to feel like it results in the same amount of representation. Right now it doesnt. I dont know what the best way to accomplish that is but "because it's always been done that way" is almost never the right reason to continue to do something.

There.will eventually be a model out there that gets us closer. This isn't the way it will always be done. We just have to be more open to change so that people can feel more invested in the workings of our nation if they choose to be.