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Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:30 pm
by NewtonHawk11
The stats and analytics have not been a big fan of their team. And over the long run, those are usually correct. They were hot early on, now they are struggling. 5-4 over the last 9 games. Not ideal.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:32 pm
by jfish26
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:16 pm
That we would even be in the convo for #1 overall shows how wide open this is (and how down it is).
Arizona does have the win in Champaign. We have nothing like that.
Ok, but.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
Also, (1) would be nice to have the Colorado win, and (2) lol at North Texas being Q1 and Mizzou being Q3.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:16 pm
That we would even be in the convo for #1 overall shows how wide open this is (and how down it is).
Arizona does have the win in Champaign. We have nothing like that.
Ok, but.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
Given Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:36 pm
by jfish26
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:29 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:16 pm
That we would even be in the convo for #1 overall shows how wide open this is (and how down it is).
Arizona does have the win in Champaign. We have nothing like that.
Ok, but.
https://bracketologists.com/compare/gon ... s-jayhawks
I think our and Baylor’s resumes are clearly the best. And we’re not done stacking wins.
Given Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
I get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:49 pm
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:14 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:11 pm
I think KU could be the 2nd overall 1 seed if they win the Big 12 tourney and Zona doesn’t win the pac 12. This would give KU a path of Fort Worth and San Antonio to get to the F4.
I think this as well. I’m also not sure winning the PAC 12 would/should do it for Arizona. Particularly if we will have picked up another win over Tech.
Also - and I know I’m not allowed to question the narrative - our
wins would be miles and miles and miles better than Gonzaga’s.
Kansas and Gonzaga have the same number of Quad 1 wins.
Gonzaga's best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#8 Texas Tech
#12 UCLA
#18 Texas
#19 Saint Mary's (2 times)
#24 San Francisco (3 times)
Kansas' best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#5 Baylor
#8 Texas Tech
#18 Texas
#37 Michigan State
#38 Oklahoma
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:52 pm
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:36 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pm
Given Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
I get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.
We have the same number of Quad 1 wins. No one cares about Quad 2 wins.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:01 pm
by NewtonHawk11
I think if Kentucky wins 2 games this weekend, they’re on the 1 line.
Best case scenario for Kansas, tbh
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:07 pm
by twocoach
NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:01 pm
I think if Kentucky wins 2 games this weekend, they’re on the 1 line.
Best case scenario for Kansas, tbh
Yeah, I do not want them to be our #2 seed. But right now I am still worried about our 2nd and 3rd round match ups.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:12 pm
by KUTradition
i would love the opportunity to face them again
#aintskeerd
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:13 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
High-Larious.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:13 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:12 pm
i would love the opportunity to face them again
#aintskeerd
Yeah, we’ll I’m just a fan. They completely exposed us. Horrible matchup. Give me the easiest road possible.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:18 pm
by KUTradition
roiboi
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:45 pm
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:52 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:36 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:33 pm
Given Gonzaga's kenpom, NET and Quad 1 wins, I get the argument for Gonzaga.
I might just be blinded by the eye test, though.
I get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.
We have the same number of Quad 1 wins. No one cares about Quad 2 wins.
This does not make any sense, if you think about it.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:47 pm
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:49 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:14 pm
sdoyel wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:11 pm
I think KU could be the 2nd overall 1 seed if they win the Big 12 tourney and Zona doesn’t win the pac 12. This would give KU a path of Fort Worth and San Antonio to get to the F4.
I think this as well. I’m also not sure winning the PAC 12 would/should do it for Arizona. Particularly if we will have picked up another win over Tech.
Also - and I know I’m not allowed to question the narrative - our
wins would be miles and miles and miles better than Gonzaga’s.
Kansas and Gonzaga have the same number of Quad 1 wins.
Gonzaga's best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#8 Texas Tech
#12 UCLA
#18 Texas
#19 Saint Mary's (2 times)
#24 San Francisco (3 times)
Kansas' best 5 teams that they beat (by NET rankings):
#5 Baylor
#8 Texas Tech
#18 Texas
#37 Michigan State
#38 Oklahoma
Yeah, nope, sorry, not buying that St. Mary's and San Francisco would be better in the B1G than Michigan State, or in the Big 12 than Oklahoma.
I think there is a lot of circularity to the NET.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:18 pm
by twocoach
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:45 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:52 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:36 pm
I get it. But if we win out, we will have 19 Q1/2 wins. To Gonzaga’s 12. That’s just an enormous difference.
We have the same number of Quad 1 wins. No one cares about Quad 2 wins.
This does not make any sense, if you think about it.
Which part, that Gonzaga has played in an easy conference and has the same number of Q1 wins as the winner of the toughest conference in America?
Here's the breakdown of Gonzaga and Kansas' NET rankings
https://bballnet.com/teams/gonzaga
https://bballnet.com/teams/kansas
There are a number of Big 12 teams who are ranked just high enough that beating them on the road still counts as a Quad 1 win even though beating them at home is only a Quad 2 win (Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma, Okie State) while Gonzaga benefited tremendously from teams like Saint Mary's and San Francisco being just good enough to count as a Quad 1 win both home, road and neutral.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:27 pm
by Cascadia
A win at KSU counting as a Q1 win tells me the whole quad system is a fucking joke.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:35 pm
by jfish26
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:18 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:45 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:52 pm
We have the same number of Quad 1 wins. No one cares about Quad 2 wins.
This does not make any sense, if you think about it.
Which part, that Gonzaga has played in an easy conference and has the same number of Q1 wins as the winner of the toughest conference in America?
Here's the breakdown of Gonzaga and Kansas' NET rankings
https://bballnet.com/teams/gonzaga
https://bballnet.com/teams/kansas
There are a number of Big 12 teams who are ranked just high enough that beating them on the road still counts as a Quad 1 win even though beating them at home is only a Quad 2 win (Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Oklahoma, Okie State) while Gonzaga benefited tremendously from teams like Saint Mary's and San Francisco being just good enough to count as a Quad 1 win both home, road and neutral.
…if two teams have the same number of Q1 wins, then I think it makes perfect sense to look at Q2 wins as a next line in the comparison.
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:43 pm
by randylahey
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:12 pm
i would love the opportunity to face them again
#aintskeerd
I would too. but preferably not see them in our bracket, so final 4 matchup. just to see how far this team has come since then
but I think they are a bad match up for us. and would be one of the hardest teams for us to beat. but if you wanna win a title you gotta beat whoever
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:44 pm
by randylahey
If KU loses tonight I think we are still a 1 seed. maybe the 4th 1 seed though. we just had too many good wins against a tough schedule
Re: 2022 CBB Season
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:46 pm
by randylahey
Cascadia wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:27 pm
A win at KSU counting as a Q1 win tells me the whole quad system is a fucking joke.
Are you doubting the octagon of doom?