CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:33 pm
Gee, I wonder why Quinton Lucas has a hard time getting sleep these days . . .
Well I'm guessing because he ran on the platform of reducing the homocide rate in KC. Instead, it's already hit 100 by mid-year.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:06 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
That . . . would only strengthen my point.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:22 pm
by pdub
I'm on my phone so not searching now but a number of non established comedians have had their content altered or have been fired. There was a good doc I think on netflix or amazon that spoke to comedy today. Tons of comedians have addressed it and spoken about it. Not to mention the neutralization of sitcoms or the alteration or removal of the content.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:29 pm
by PhDhawk
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:22 pm
I'm on my phone so not searching now but a number of non established comedians have had their content altered or have been fired. There was a good doc I think on netflix or amazon that spoke to comedy today. Tons of comedians have addressed it and spoken about it. Not to mention the neutralization of sitcoms or the alteration or removal of the content.
Yes this is widely known.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:09 pm
by pdub
Can We Take A Joke is the doc.
It's a common subject recently with comedians.
Kimmel had to take a time out recently.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:48 pm
by TDub
Surprised this hasnt been banned yet
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:01 pm
by Deleted User 318
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:22 pm
I'm on my phone so not searching now but a number of non established comedians have had their content altered or have been fired. There was a good doc I think on netflix or amazon that spoke to comedy today. Tons of comedians have addressed it and spoken about it. Not to mention the neutralization of sitcoms or the alteration or removal of the content.
If they've had their content altered or been fired, then they are employees and not employers. Employers can fire at will (thank you GOP). If you are being employed, you have to abide by the employer's rules, and tough. I have to put a tie and pants on, you need to abide whatever your employer says. I don't like ties or pants, they don't like being told they can't say dirty words.
If you are the content creator, you need to produce the content and have it distributed. If production company A doesn't want to front the money to produce, or if Netflix, Amazon or HBO does not want to distribute the stuff based on your content, then tough, make more mainstream stuff, or produce and distribute it yourself (see Louis CK's Horace and Pete). It's not on Netflix or Universal to put out your controversial or sucky things.
If people want to see your stuff, someone will put it out, or you can put it out on the many platforms out there. Some kids from Lower East Side made Broad City, no one wanted to pick it up, put it out on YouTube, and made it decently big (Comedy Central picked it up, and now both are doing regular things, and both made millions).
Sitcoms are generally created by established folks, and made to make money. If you think they are being neutered, you are being lied to. They are made to get Procter and Gamble to put out $80k for a 30 second spot in prime time. Premium networks like HBO are putting out shows to make you want to keep your $15 a month subscription. If your distributor doesn't want to put out an episode, then that sucks. There are tons of episodes of shows that weren't put out during the regular production over the decades because the network did not want to put it out. This isn't new.
What it sounds like is whiny comedians/writers upset that the market was hot after the strike when Netflix and HBO was picking up options left and right, and now upset that the market has contracted because it got too saturated.
Make something worthwhile, and people will pay you. No one is censoring anyone.
"Amazon is removing all Washington Redskins merchandise from its website, as the pressure for the NFL franchise to change its name mounts.
The team announced on Friday that it would undergo a "thorough review" of its name, which has been broadly denounced as derogatory and racist.
Last Thursday, FedEx — the team's stadium namesake — wrote to owner Dan Snyder requesting that he change the name. FedEx paid $205 million for naming rights to the team’s Maryland stadium in 1998; those rights run through 2025.
Other major team sponsors and partners such as PepsiCo, also expressed their desire for the name to be done away with.
Nike, Target and Walmart have already stopped selling the team's merchandise...."
If Amazon, Target and Walmart isn't selling your stuff, I mean...
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:17 pm
by PhDhawk
It's concerning that so few companies have so much influence.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:29 pm
by Deleted User 318
Well, free market. Costs a lot of money to be able to put up the money to produce a show, and costs a lot more money to give access to that show to 330 million folks for free. The only way to circumvent this is...the government, and no one here I assume is going to want this or any future or past government administration to pick and choose what goes on the air (true censorship). There is a ton of stuff out there without the production values if you want to find it. Most folks want to watch that episode where Jim engages Pam for the eighth time instead. It’s a good episode.
Also, free market, creates platforms such as YouTube where you can access anything for a low cost (your internet costs) or you can choose to make and distribute your own content, or for a slightly higher cost ($7 a month for Disney+, $10 for Netflix, $7 for Hulu) where you can get more access content than you get for free.
There are plenty of ways to make or get things. People used to make zines 20 years ago and hand them out on the street, or sell mixtapes out of their trunk in front of the Bottleneck. Now people are upset that you aren’t picking up their show for a third season because people aren’t “getting it.” I’m not sympathetic for content creators in this market. It’s easier and cheaper to get your stuff out there. People just aren’t willing to put in leg work
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:22 pm
I'm on my phone so not searching now but a number of non established comedians have had their content altered or have been fired. There was a good doc I think on netflix or amazon that spoke to comedy today. Tons of comedians have addressed it and spoken about it. Not to mention the neutralization of sitcoms or the alteration or removal of the content.
If they've had their content altered or been fired, then they are employees and not employers. Employers can fire at will (thank you GOP). If you are being employed, you have to abide by the employer's rules, and tough. I have to put a tie and pants on, you need to abide whatever your employer says. I don't like ties or pants, they don't like being told they can't say dirty words.
If you are the content creator, you need to produce the content and have it distributed. If production company A doesn't want to front the money to produce, or if Netflix, Amazon or HBO does not want to distribute the stuff based on your content, then tough, make more mainstream stuff, or produce and distribute it yourself (see Louis CK's Horace and Pete). It's not on Netflix or Universal to put out your controversial or sucky things.
If people want to see your stuff, someone will put it out, or you can put it out on the many platforms out there. Some kids from Lower East Side made Broad City, no one wanted to pick it up, put it out on YouTube, and made it decently big (Comedy Central picked it up, and now both are doing regular things, and both made millions).
Sitcoms are generally created by established folks, and made to make money. If you think they are being neutered, you are being lied to. They are made to get Procter and Gamble to put out $80k for a 30 second spot in prime time. Premium networks like HBO are putting out shows to make you want to keep your $15 a month subscription. If your distributor doesn't want to put out an episode, then that sucks. There are tons of episodes of shows that weren't put out during the regular production over the decades because the network did not want to put it out. This isn't new.
What it sounds like is whiny comedians/writers upset that the market was hot after the strike when Netflix and HBO was picking up options left and right, and now upset that the market has contracted because it got too saturated.
Make something worthwhile, and people will pay you. No one is censoring anyone.
Stop talking about things you don't know about.
The issue tends to be SJW taking things out of context, misrepresenting the comedian's act and starting a fury via social media and the ensuing shitstorm that can follow.
It also comes from club work, where a comedian works things out. The act isn't ready and comedians don't think they shpuls be judged for an act that isn't ready to tour or present as a special. And with an art form that aims to push boundaries this doesn't allow for one to make a mistake or iron something out that might be a funny take on something uncomfortable or controversial.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:43 pm
by PhDhawk
NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:29 pm
Well, free market. Costs a lot of money to be able to put up the money to produce a show, and costs a lot more money to give access to that show to 330 million folks for free. The only way to circumvent this is...the government, and no one here I assume is going to want this or any future or past government administration to pick and choose what goes on the air (true censorship). There is a ton of stuff out there without the production values if you want to find it. Most folks want to watch that episode where Jim engages Pam for the eighth time instead. It’s a good episode.
Also, free market, creates platforms such as YouTube where you can access anything for a low cost (your internet costs) or you can choose to make and distribute your own content, or for a slightly higher cost ($7 a month for Disney+, $10 for Netflix, $7 for Hulu) where you can get more access content than you get for free.
There are plenty of ways to make or get things. People used to make zines 20 years ago and hand them out on the street, or sell mixtapes out of their trunk in front of the Bottleneck. Now people are upset that you aren’t picking up their show for a third season because people aren’t “getting it.” I’m not sympathetic for content creators in this market. It’s easier and cheaper to get your stuff out there. People just aren’t willing to put in leg work
Wasn't talking about that. Thanks for trying though.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:50 pm
by Deleted User 318
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:41 pm
The issue tends to be SJW taking things out of context, misrepresenting the comedian's act and starting a fury via social media and the ensuing shitstorm that can follow.
It also comes from club work, where a comedian works things out. The act isn't ready and comedians don't think they shpuls be judged for an act that isn't ready to tour or present as a special. And with an art form that aims to push boundaries this doesn't allow for one to make a mistake or iron something out that might be a funny take on something uncomfortable or controversial.
Lol, so you are saying that “SJW” shouldn’t have the same voice? Or you’re saying that bad comedy should be given a free pass?
If it’s offensive to some, let them have their voice. If the comedy is bad, let them sow their oats naturally to figure it out. Comedians are big boys and girls. If it’s good, people will pay money. You seem to put a lot of opinions onto other people.
NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:29 pm
Well, free market. Costs a lot of money to be able to put up the money to produce a show, and costs a lot more money to give access to that show to 330 million folks for free. The only way to circumvent this is...the government, and no one here I assume is going to want this or any future or past government administration to pick and choose what goes on the air (true censorship). There is a ton of stuff out there without the production values if you want to find it. Most folks want to watch that episode where Jim engages Pam for the eighth time instead. It’s a good episode.
Also, free market, creates platforms such as YouTube where you can access anything for a low cost (your internet costs) or you can choose to make and distribute your own content, or for a slightly higher cost ($7 a month for Disney+, $10 for Netflix, $7 for Hulu) where you can get more access content than you get for free.
There are plenty of ways to make or get things. People used to make zines 20 years ago and hand them out on the street, or sell mixtapes out of their trunk in front of the Bottleneck. Now people are upset that you aren’t picking up their show for a third season because people aren’t “getting it.” I’m not sympathetic for content creators in this market. It’s easier and cheaper to get your stuff out there. People just aren’t willing to put in leg work
Wasn't talking about that. Thanks for trying though.
Lol, my mistake. Didn’t realize you just wanted to force Amazon, Walmart and the likes to sell all the stuff you want to buy to stick it to the libs. Carry on.
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:41 pm
The issue tends to be SJW taking things out of context, misrepresenting the comedian's act and starting a fury via social media and the ensuing shitstorm that can follow.
It also comes from club work, where a comedian works things out. The act isn't ready and comedians don't think they shpuls be judged for an act that isn't ready to tour or present as a special. And with an art form that aims to push boundaries this doesn't allow for one to make a mistake or iron something out that might be a funny take on something uncomfortable or controversial.
Lol, so you are saying that “SJW” shouldn’t have the same voice? Or you’re saying that bad comedy should be given a free pass?
If it’s offensive to some, let them have their voice. If the comedy is bad, let them sow their oats naturally to figure it out. Comedians are big boys and girls. If it’s good, people will pay money. You seem to put a lot of opinions onto other people.
If you misrepresent someone's act, or are too stupid to understand that they're making fun of something rather than endorsing it, it's a problem. And worse, it goes viral because of people who weren't there and never heard the act.
Take it up with the comedians. I only got involved because you falsely stated that this wasn't an issue for them, when it's easily been the biggest issue in that industry over the past several years.
But keep trying to move the goal posts to try to convince yourself you weren't wrong.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:07 pm
by Deleted User 318
Lulz. If you think there are roaming SJWs hitting up the lower west side clubs just to out subpar acts, okay then. Maybe they just aren’t good. I used to go to comedy clubs several times a month (RIP UCB) in the before times, and saw hundreds of people. Many good, many bad. I never heard of anyone getting ostracized for their acts. Because Norm McDonald can’t get a tight ten that works right now doesn’t mean folks aren’t getting their normal shake.
Dubs isn’t talking your 3 club a night worker. He’s talking people already with a platform upset about the current situation.
NiceDC wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:29 pm
Well, free market. Costs a lot of money to be able to put up the money to produce a show, and costs a lot more money to give access to that show to 330 million folks for free. The only way to circumvent this is...the government, and no one here I assume is going to want this or any future or past government administration to pick and choose what goes on the air (true censorship). There is a ton of stuff out there without the production values if you want to find it. Most folks want to watch that episode where Jim engages Pam for the eighth time instead. It’s a good episode.
Also, free market, creates platforms such as YouTube where you can access anything for a low cost (your internet costs) or you can choose to make and distribute your own content, or for a slightly higher cost ($7 a month for Disney+, $10 for Netflix, $7 for Hulu) where you can get more access content than you get for free.
There are plenty of ways to make or get things. People used to make zines 20 years ago and hand them out on the street, or sell mixtapes out of their trunk in front of the Bottleneck. Now people are upset that you aren’t picking up their show for a third season because people aren’t “getting it.” I’m not sympathetic for content creators in this market. It’s easier and cheaper to get your stuff out there. People just aren’t willing to put in leg work
Wasn't talking about that. Thanks for trying though.
Lol, my mistake. Didn’t realize you just wanted to force Amazon, Walmart and the likes to sell all the stuff you want to buy to stick it to the libs. Carry on.
You're an idiot.
Thought yoy ran away when DC made fun of you.
Too bad, you're back.
The reason it's a problem isn't when they do something you agree with or is morally right, it's when they do the opposite. No one elected jeff bezos into office.
If the Trump presidency hasn't woke you up to the dangers if too much power being in too few hands I don't know what will. Guess you support trump.
I, on the hand, am more wary than ever about unchecked power, whether it's the executive branch of the gov't or a business bordering on a monopoly. You never know when someone like Trump is going to be the person in charge.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:15 pm
by PhDhawk
Big acts still work out in clubs. Sorry you're unaware of this. Chris Rock, Dave Chappel, Jerry Seinfeld....om down to road dogs have all complained about it. Almost unanimously.
Guess you were too busy crying about DC being mean to you.
It's ok. You were wrong. Happens a lot to you.
Re: Redskins
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:17 pm
by Deleted User 318
Lulz. Didn’t realize Amazon, Target and Walmart were the only stores you can buy stuff.
PhDhawk wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:15 pm
Big acts still work out in clubs. Sorry you're unaware of this. Chris Rock, Dave Chappel, Jerry Seinfeld....om down to road dogs have all complained about it. Almost unanimously.
Guess you were too busy crying about DC being mean to you.
It's ok. You were wrong. Happens a lot to you.
Chris Rock, jerry Seinfeld and Dave Chappell can get a seven figure deal tomorrow without question, eight figure deal before noon, nine-figure deal by Friday. But you told me the guy working on his small act was the issue.