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Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:13 pm
by japhy
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:14 pm
Personally, I’m sympathetic to his situation. It looked like he was riffing in class and got carried away. It happens. To his credit, he walked it back immediately and tried to do damage control.
Unfortunately, we live in the social media age, and the blowback for him and for the institution will be enormous. Were we not a month out from a Presidential election, it might be a tempest in a teapot. But, given the circumstances, that’s unlikely.
If I recall correctly, he is also just a lecturer, so he is unprotected by tenure or even faculty status. Were I his department Chair, I’d advocate for him, suggesting a formal apology, some training on classroom comportment, and a suspension for the last half of the semester with a return to full duty in January.
I doubt any of that will happen. I think he is probably done at KU, and, given his age, perhaps in academia. I say that with no joy or satisfaction. It is a shame and I wish it were not so.
So a show of grace is in order? Seems reasonable. Everyone has had a worst day, most of us would hope we get a second chance, an opportunity for redemption. Not to get all Jesusy and shit but it just seems like the "Christian" thing to do.
But Moran and Marshall decided the best thing to do was make sure it goes viral and make sure the trolls knew who he was so this incident would be amplified to a national stage and the guy is now vilified. Maybe he deserves it. But most of us hope our worst day flies under the radar and we get to lick our wounds in private and work shit out.
But that is not how the Christian Conservatives, Moran and Marshall decided to play this. Instead of quietly asking the Chancellor to look into their concerns and wait for judgement, they publicly threw him to the wolves. It just seems unethical and cruel, but cruelty seems to be the order of the day in this political cycle.
And my guess is the same as yours, his career is over. He will likely have to move out of State to escape the harassment. Hell the poor bastard may end up living in his parent's basement to hide from it all. I say this cuz it happened to a friend once after he lost his professional licensure, lost his house and he never got out of their basement. Sounds like you looked up his "ratemyprofessor" link and the shit storm was immediate and it probably will be his "permanent record" so to speak. These days it is easy to find and follow people once you know their names and the trolls enjoy destroying people once unleashed. His career and life as he knows it may be over.
We don't know context yet, but all indications are that he is responding to a narrative that is amplified daily, that Kamala is a low IQ dumb woman, dumb as a rock. You might have heard stuff like this. Trump seems to put out some version multiple times a day and his social media people amplify and multiply and then it trickles down to every day folks that repeat it as gospel. I don't think I have ever seen Kamala's IQ scores listed anywhere, or her grades. She received a law degree and passed the Bar Exam on her second try. Full disclosure it took me three trips to Jeff City to pass the PE Exam. I think most engineers have to take it at least twice. Harris taking the Bar Exam twice seems like no big deal unless you have never had to take a professional registration exam. School is easy by comparison.
What part would you say this narrative about Harris plays in angry reactions like the professor's to what is most likely a false narrative about someone's intellect? What part does angry rhetoric like "bloodbath" and "2nd amendment solution" play in angry counter responses? No one has to respond in kind, we all have some level of self control. But repeated often enough, bad things start to happen. Almost like it wasn't just a rhetorical flourish (a call to arms?), if you had already seen bad results from the behavior.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:29 pm
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:38 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:18 pm
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:06 pm
“By way of contrast, I'm not the one who feels the need to either a) respond to every post someone else makes"
Yup. Responding to your response. Stop and I'll stop. Passive aggressive bullying is still bullying, and I'm not putting up with it.
“By way of contrast, I'm not the one who feels the need to either a) respond to every post someone else makes"
You bet! Keep up the good work, Perfesser!
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:33 pm
by KUTradition
what a sad little energizer bunny you’re trying to be
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:32 pm
by Overlander
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:33 pm
what a sad little energizer bunny you’re trying to be
He gets kinda pissy when you remind him that he is everything he projects onto others.
Cute 'lil snowflake.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:47 pm
by JKLivin
japhy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:13 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:14 pm
Personally, I’m sympathetic to his situation. It looked like he was riffing in class and got carried away. It happens. To his credit, he walked it back immediately and tried to do damage control.
Unfortunately, we live in the social media age, and the blowback for him and for the institution will be enormous. Were we not a month out from a Presidential election, it might be a tempest in a teapot. But, given the circumstances, that’s unlikely.
If I recall correctly, he is also just a lecturer, so he is unprotected by tenure or even faculty status. Were I his department Chair, I’d advocate for him, suggesting a formal apology, some training on classroom comportment, and a suspension for the last half of the semester with a return to full duty in January.
I doubt any of that will happen. I think he is probably done at KU, and, given his age, perhaps in academia. I say that with no joy or satisfaction. It is a shame and I wish it were not so.
So a show of grace is in order? Seems reasonable. Everyone has had a worst day, most of us would hope we get a second chance, an opportunity for redemption. Not to get all Jesusy and shit but it just seems like the "Christian" thing to do.
But Moran and Marshall decided the best thing to do was make sure it goes viral and make sure the trolls knew who he was so this incident would be amplified to a national stage and the guy is now vilified. Maybe he deserves it. But most of us hope our worst day flies under the radar and we get to lick our wounds in private and work shit out.
But that is not how the Christian Conservatives, Moran and Marshall decided to play this. Instead of quietly asking the Chancellor to look into their concerns and wait for judgement, they publicly threw him to the wolves. It just seems unethical and cruel, but cruelty seems to be the order of the day in this political cycle.
And my guess is the same as yours, his career is over. He will likely have to move out of State to escape the harassment. Hell the poor bastard may end up living in his parent's basement to hide from it all. I say this cuz it happened to a friend once after he lost his professional licensure, lost his house and he never got out of their basement. Sounds like you looked up his "ratemyprofessor" link and the shit storm was immediate and it probably will be his "permanent record" so to speak. These days it is easy to find and follow people once you know their names and the trolls enjoy destroying people once unleashed. His career and life as he knows it may be over.
We don't know context yet, but all indications are that he is responding to a narrative that is amplified daily, that Kamala is a low IQ dumb woman, dumb as a rock. You might have heard stuff like this. Trump seems to put out some version multiple times a day and his social media people amplify and multiply and then it trickles down to every day folks that repeat it as gospel. I don't think I have ever seen Kamala's IQ scores listed anywhere, or her grades. She received a law degree and passed the Bar Exam on her second try. Full disclosure it took me three trips to Jeff City to pass the PE Exam. I think most engineers have to take it at least twice. Harris taking the Bar Exam twice seems like no big deal unless you have never had to take a professional registration exam. School is easy by comparison.
What part would you say this narrative about Harris plays in angry reactions like the professor's to what is most likely a false narrative about someone's intellect? What part does angry rhetoric like "bloodbath" and "2nd amendment solution" play in angry counter responses? No one has to respond in kind, we all have some level of self control. But repeated often enough, bad things start to happen. Almost like it wasn't just a rhetorical flourish (a call to arms?), if you had already seen bad results from the behavior.
Although I agree with the narrative about Kamala's low IQ, which means I don't think comments about it justify his taking umbrage, I also feel like ruining a man's career over such remarks is over the line. As someone who passed his professional licensure exams - both basic and advanced - the first time, I don't have the same feelings of accommodation that you do for her.
I am very close to someone who lost their first academic post almost twenty years ago because of a crude political cartoon posted on their office door. It offended a tenured colleague who then stalked their Facebook page, where the cartoon was also posted, and rallied other tenured faculty to complain to the Dean, and later, the President, of the college to demand their removal. Despite the fact that it was pretty tame by today's standards, it cost them their job. It took them a good five years to get anything other than adjunct work again, before another school finally took a chance on them.
In their case, they were a new Ph.D. in their early thirties, so they had time to recover. Lowcock, it seems, will not have that good fortune. I genuinely hurt for him, despite the fact that I completely disagree with his actions.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:49 pm
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:32 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:33 pm
what a sad little energizer bunny you’re trying to be
He gets kinda pissy when you remind him that he is everything he projects onto others.
Cute 'lil snowflake.
He is tired of narcissists and bullies, and he's not impressed by lame attempts of salesmen to sound intelligent an erudite.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:52 pm
by Sparko
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:49 pm
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:32 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 4:33 pm
what a sad little energizer bunny you’re trying to be
He gets kinda pissy when you remind him that he is everything he projects onto others.
Cute 'lil snowflake.
He is tired of narcissists and bullies, and he's not impressed by lame attempts of salesmen to sound intelligent an erudite.
Good. Rejecting Trump was a good first step.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:23 pm
by JKLivin
Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:52 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:49 pm
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:32 pm
He gets kinda pissy when you remind him that he is everything he projects onto others.
Cute 'lil snowflake.
He is tired of narcissists and bullies, and he's not impressed by lame attempts of salesmen to sound intelligent an erudite.
Good. Rejecting Trump was a good first step.
Lulz. Difference is, Trump is successful and respected.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:55 pm
by zsn
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:23 pm
Lulz. Difference is, Trump is a convicted felon, successful at ruining everything he touches and respected by no one of any consequence.
Fyp
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:58 pm
by defixione
The only people that respect Trump are his cult members.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:59 pm
by JKLivin
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:55 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:23 pm
Lulz. Difference is, Trump is a convicted felon, successful at ruining everything he touches and respected by no one of any consequence.
Fyp
Respected enough to become POTUS twice. Good enough for me. Definitely superior to schlepping shitty boats and threatening to beat people up on message boreds.
Get out of the way or get run over.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:01 pm
by defixione
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:49 pm
He is tired of narcissists and bullies, and he's not impressed by lame attempts of salesmen to sound intelligent an erudite.
So you're finally tired of Trump?
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:04 pm
by JKLivin
defixione wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:01 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 5:49 pm
He is tired of narcissists and bullies, and he's not impressed by lame attempts of salesmen to sound intelligent an erudite.
So you're finally tired of Trump?
I like you, defixione. You were kind to my kids and me once, so I mean this in the nicest way: comedy isn’t your baliwick.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:54 pm
by zsn
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:59 pm
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:55 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:23 pm
Lulz. Difference is, Trump is a convicted felon, successful at ruining everything he touches and respected by no one of any consequence.
Fyp
Respected enough to become POTUS twice. Good enough for me.
Good enough to have more votes cast in opposition than any presidential candidate in history?
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:08 pm
by Overlander
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:59 pm
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:55 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:23 pm
Lulz. Difference is, Trump is a convicted felon, successful at ruining everything he touches and respected by no one of any consequence.
Fyp
Definitely superior to schlepping shitty boats and threatening to beat people up on message boreds.
Man, I am so deep in your superior brain.
Are genius noggins always this soft?
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:08 pm
by JKLivin
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:54 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:59 pm
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:55 pm
Fyp
Respected enough to become POTUS twice. Good enough for me.
Good enough to have more votes cast in opposition than any presidential candidate in history?
Not how the system works, I’m afraid.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:10 pm
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:08 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:59 pm
zsn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:55 pm
Fyp
Definitely superior to schlepping shitty boats and threatening to beat people up on message boreds.
Man, I am so deep in your superior brain.
Are genius noggins always this soft?
Is that really how you see it? Outstanding!
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:27 pm
by Overlander
How else could anyone else see it.
You constantly brag about your superior intellect, talk down to everyone…yet I am the narcissist?
You brag about being skilled in the martial arts, and say things like running people over if they don’t get out of your way…yet I am the bully?
Face it, you are a cunt. You know, deep inside that you worry about what people say about you…because you constantly say you don’t care what people think about you.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:31 am
by JKLivin
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:27 pm
How else could anyone else see it.
You constantly brag about your superior intellect, talk down to everyone…yet I am the narcissist?
You brag about being skilled in the martial arts, and say things like running people over if they don’t get out of your way…yet I am the bully?
Face it, you are a cunt. You know, deep inside that you worry about what people say about you…because you constantly say you don’t care what people think about you.
I think you read a great deal into what I say. Why? I don’t know.
I talk down to people who try to push my buttons. If you’re respectful to me, I’m respectful in return. Ask Gutter, PDub, or pretty much anyone here not named Trad or Overlander.
The “Get out of the way” slogan is a reference to the Trump Train, and is at least partially tongue in cheek. It has nothing to do with me personally.
I mentioned the martial arts ONE time because you kept posting veiled threats of physical harm to others on the board and I was sick of it.
You literally spent years saying things you knew would be hurtful to me for the sole purpose of inflicting pain. I tried ignoring you; I tried laughing it off; I PM’ed you asking you to stop; I left for months on several occasions. What I finally realized is that you only respond to getting back what you dish out. I don’t enjoy it, but I’m done letting you push me around.
We are different people. I am a naturally mean person who hates being that way. It takes a lot to bring it out. You, on the other hand, appear to be a naturally mean person who revels in it. You’re mean because you enjoy it. It is second nature.
Either leave me alone or get used to the new normal. I know what I prefer, but ultimately, the choice is yours.
Re: Kansas professor goes viral
Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:00 am
by KUTradition
if you’re a naturally mean person, i doubt it takes a lot to trigger you
how dumb
you bring everything upon you that you get around here. nobody’s picking on you
