Kansas Crimson

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:44 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:58 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:45 am

It's a really murky issue, in part because - and I thought about saying this in a snarkier way but I won't - we in the modern west (1) have a bent toward political correctness (and, thankfully, tolerance), and (2) really don't have a great modern point of reference for what I understand is correctly termed "Lesser Jihad."*

Are all (or even most) adherents to Islam, terrorists? Or even terrorist-sympathizers? Of course not. And restraint in suggesting or concluding otherwise is well-intentioned and in good faith; I'm glad that the bomb-the-desert-and-the-brown-people-in-their-caves troglodyte types are now the ugly, gross exceptions to the norm.

However, we in the modern west might have a bit of a blind spot to how dangerous the radicals are, because the notion of outright religious violence (yes, what we'd perceive to be "indiscriminate" violence) is something we in the modern west consider to be a relic.

Unfortunately, it is not.

This all relates to your question, because I think (without saying this is GOOD) it's more socially acceptable in our discourse to trade in stereotypes of Jews than in stereotypes of Islamic people.

* Go look up "Greater Jihad" and try to tell me, with a straight face, that you don't hear it echoing throughout the religious right. Every. Single. Accusation. Is. A. Confession.

thanks for the thoughtful response

nuance aside, i’m more just curious about what everyone else has seen/read. i know my intake is biased, despite my efforts at “fair and balanced”, but are others seeing the same sort of pattern in the specific language used?

as an example, i’ve not seen anything akin to “extermination of jewish rats” aimed at Palestinians. but, just because i’ve not seen it doesn’t mean that such rhetoric doesn’t exist

I posted here about the Israeli defense minister calling Palestinians “animals,” for one.

Shirley also posted some meme like “why is mooslims the source of all the world’s problems!?!”

Tho I guess Shirley added a note like, *some

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:25 pm

Indiscriminately, one might say.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:55 am Meh, if Hamas was a shade or two lighter, they just might be getting less “terrorist” and more “freedom fighter” rhetoric, and we’d be hearing all about how they have the right to resist illegal invasions and to defend themselves from their colonial occupiers, maybe even with weapons paid for by you and me.

Either way, that post is a helluva way to reply to concerns that Israel might be bombing the very hostages they claim to be trying to rescue

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:17 am Umm bro I mean that comment sincerely.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:45 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:49 am honest question:

is it just me, media bias, or reality that the language used by anti-semites is notable worse than that used by islamophobes?

it sure seems like there is a stark difference in the level of hate

It's a really murky issue, in part because - and I thought about saying this in a snarkier way but I won't - we in the modern west (1) have a bent toward political correctness (and, thankfully, tolerance), and (2) really don't have a great modern point of reference for what I understand is correctly termed "Lesser Jihad."*

Are all (or even most) adherents to Islam, terrorists? Or even terrorist-sympathizers? Of course not. And restraint in suggesting or concluding otherwise is well-intentioned and in good faith; I'm glad that the bomb-the-desert-and-the-brown-people-in-their-caves troglodyte types are now the ugly, gross exceptions to the norm.

However, we in the modern west might have a bit of a blind spot to how dangerous the radicals are, because the notion of outright religious violence (yes, what we'd perceive to be "indiscriminate" violence) is something we in the modern west consider to be a relic.

Unfortunately, it is not.

This all relates to your question, because I think (without saying this is GOOD) it's more socially acceptable in our discourse to trade in stereotypes of Jews than in stereotypes of Islamic people.

* Go look up "Greater Jihad" and try to tell me, with a straight face, that you don't hear it echoing throughout the religious right. Every. Single. Accusation. Is. A. Confession.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:01 am well, considering how little care Israel is taking to distinguish HAMAS TERRORISTS from "Palestinian" civilians, what good does it do to point that out?

case in point:

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:15 am Here’s another thought:

Considering how indiscriminately Israel is carpet bombing Gaza, with the rationale that Hamas terrorists could be hiding anywhere, how do they know where Hamas terrorists are hiding Israeli hostages?

Wouldn’t want anything more to happen to those poor folks.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:43 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:45 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:49 am honest question:

is it just me, media bias, or reality that the language used by anti-semites is notable worse than that used by islamophobes?

it sure seems like there is a stark difference in the level of hate

It's a really murky issue, in part because - and I thought about saying this in a snarkier way but I won't - we in the modern west (1) have a bent toward political correctness (and, thankfully, tolerance), and (2) really don't have a great modern point of reference for what I understand is correctly termed "Lesser Jihad."*

Are all (or even most) adherents to Islam, terrorists? Or even terrorist-sympathizers? Of course not. And restraint in suggesting or concluding otherwise is well-intentioned and in good faith; I'm glad that the bomb-the-desert-and-the-brown-people-in-their-caves troglodyte types are now the ugly, gross exceptions to the norm.

However, we in the modern west might have a bit of a blind spot to how dangerous the radicals are, because the notion of outright religious violence (yes, what we'd perceive to be "indiscriminate" violence) is something we in the modern west consider to be a relic.

Unfortunately, it is not.

This all relates to your question, because I think (without saying this is GOOD) it's more socially acceptable in our discourse to trade in stereotypes of Jews than in stereotypes of Islamic people.

* Go look up "Greater Jihad" and try to tell me, with a straight face, that you don't hear it echoing throughout the religious right. Every. Single. Accusation. Is. A. Confession.

now do Zionism.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:15 am Here’s another thought:

Considering how indiscriminately Israel is carpet bombing Gaza, with the rationale that Hamas terrorists could be hiding anywhere, how do they know where Hamas terrorists are hiding Israeli hostages?

Wouldn’t want anything more to happen to those poor folks.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:00 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:15 am Here’s another thought:

Considering how indiscriminately Israel is carpet bombing Gaza, with the rationale that Hamas terrorists could be hiding anywhere, how do they know where Hamas terrorists are hiding Israeli hostages?

Wouldn’t want anything more to happen to those poor folks.

You are not using "indiscriminately" or "carpet bombing" correctly.

If that's because you don't know what they mean, you should look up what they mean.

If you DO know what they mean, then you're misusing them for hyperbolic effect - which weakens your point.