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BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:20 am My highly educated, successful, kind, and suddenly anti vaxx trumper uncle is about to die in the hospital of covid. If he makes it to Saturday my aunt will get to see him 1 more time (she also has/had covid so can't visit until Saturday). Mid 60s. In great shape, works out 4-5 times a week. No underlying conditions as far as I know. Waited to go to the hospital too long. And the day he went the hospital had a rush of patients and he sat in the ER for 2 days waiting for an ICU bed.

Unfortunately this part of my family doesn't talk to my mom/dad anymore because of how "serious they were taking covid". My mom is heartbroken that her brother is going to die after they've been mad at each other for 2 years not talking over differences in opinion over covid/politics in general.

His highly intelligent/educated daughter (my cousin), also suddnely anti vaxx, is still in denial that it is covid killing him despite what doctors say.

Very sad situation that was probably 99.5% avoidable if he didn't have his daughter and other brothers reinforcing their antivaxx anti reality views to each other.

I feel bad for my mom. I am struggling to feel bad for my uncle.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:20 am My highly educated, successful, kind, and suddenly anti vaxx trumper uncle is about to die in the hospital of covid. If he makes it to Saturday my aunt will get to see him 1 more time (she also has/had covid so can't visit until Saturday). Mid 60s. In great shape, works out 4-5 times a week. No underlying conditions as far as I know. Waited to go to the hospital too long. And the day he went the hospital had a rush of patients and he sat in the ER for 2 days waiting for an ICU bed.

Unfortunately this part of my family doesn't talk to my mom/dad anymore because of how "serious they were taking covid". My mom is heartbroken that her brother is going to die after they've been mad at each other for 2 years not talking over differences in opinion over covid/politics in general.

His highly intelligent/educated daughter (my cousin), also suddnely anti vaxx, is still in denial that it is covid killing him despite what doctors say.

Very sad situation that was probably 99.5% avoidable if he didn't have his daughter and other brothers reinforcing their antivaxx anti reality views to each other.

I feel bad for my mom. I am struggling to feel bad for my uncle.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:33 am Much less serious, but: my older kids’ schools are closed today and tomorrow. Not distance learning or anything like that. Just shut down. Because 50% of the district staff is out with Covid.

Get the damn shots, people.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:04 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:33 am Much less serious, but: my older kids’ schools are closed today and tomorrow. Not distance learning or anything like that. Just shut down. Because 50% of the district staff is out with Covid.

Get the damn shots, people.

I am 100% "pro vaxx" and want people to get the damn shots too but......
While probably highly doubtful, it's possible the person who brought Covid in to their school was vaccinated and all those who contracted Covid and spread it to each other were vaccinated too.

Yesterday I was standing in line at the Nike Store and a couple of HS kids who are sneaker heads showed up. I asked them why they weren't in school. I didn't know when I asked them that many Chicago area schools were closed yesterday because "it was too cold". One kid goes to a private school and the other goes to a "magnet" school - and both schools had decided to close for the day.
I laughed - and it wasn't funny. I said to them, It's amazing to me how it's too cold for you to go to school (one kid's mother drives him to school pretty much every day) but not too cold for you to commute (via train and bus) and stand in line outside for 15 minutes to wait to get in to a store you in no way need to be going in to.
One kid responded, At least I'm not going to get Covid from my teachers or classmates today. I jokingly said, well - you're going to get it from me.
Point of my sharing that is - as I have said before, I am happy I don't have a kid in regards to the current state of Covid. I figure I would be damned if I sent my kid to school and I would be damed if I didn't - but yesterday helped put things in a better perspective to me. Kids can catch Covid anywhere and unless you are keeping them locked inside the house, if they are going to get Covid, it's probably better they catch it by being in school than by standing next to some asshole in line at a Nike store on a school day.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:08 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:04 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:33 am Much less serious, but: my older kids’ schools are closed today and tomorrow. Not distance learning or anything like that. Just shut down. Because 50% of the district staff is out with Covid.

Get the damn shots, people.

I am 100% "pro vaxx" and want people to get the damn shots too but......
While probably highly doubtful, it's possible the person who brought Covid in to their school was vaccinated and all those who contracted Covid and spread it to each other were vaccinated too.

Yesterday I was standing in line at the Nike Store and a couple of HS kids who are sneaker heads showed up. I asked them why they weren't in school. I didn't know when I asked them that many Chicago area schools were closed yesterday because "it was too cold". One kid goes to a private school and the other goes to a "magnet" school - and both schools had decided to close for the day.
I laughed - and it wasn't funny. I said to them, It's amazing to me how it's too cold for you to go to school (one kid's mother drives him to school pretty much every day) but not too cold for you to commute (via train and bus) and stand in line outside for 15 minutes to wait to get in to a store you in no way need to be going in to.
One kid responded, At least I'm not going to get Covid from my teachers or classmates today. I jokingly said, well - you're going to get it from me.
Point of my sharing that is - as I have said before, I am happy I don't have a kid in regards to the current state of Covid. I figure I would be damned if I sent my kid to school and I would be damed if I didn't - but yesterday helped put things in a better perspective to me. Kids can catch Covid anywhere and unless you are keeping them locked inside the house, if they are going to get Covid, it's probably better they catch it by being in school than by standing next to some asshole in line at a Nike store on a school day.

But, the science is damn clear that vaccination significantly reduces severity of symptoms, and also has a negative (good) effect on transmission rates.

I don’t believe the schools would be closed were there mandates in place, for both kids and adults.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:10 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:06 pm Hey, that one guy who died out of 100s of millions of vaccinations, proves both sides are correct.

No. But saying not a single person has died from the vaccine doesn't appear to be an accurate statement. That's all.

Not sure why that would trigger anyone.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:34 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:10 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:06 pm Hey, that one guy who died out of 100s of millions of vaccinations, proves both sides are correct.

No. But saying not a single person has died from the vaccine doesn't appear to be an accurate statement. That's all.

Not sure why that would trigger anyone.

We are about to hit 10 BILLION shots administered globally. You literally had to go to the other side of the planet to New Zealand to try to find a "probable" example.

This is a case where the exception proves the rule.

Also, I didn't say, "not a single person has died from the vaccine". I said people aren't dying from the vaccine. Which is true now almost 10 billion times over.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:34 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:10 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:06 pm Hey, that one guy who died out of 100s of millions of vaccinations, proves both sides are correct.

No. But saying not a single person has died from the vaccine doesn't appear to be an accurate statement. That's all.

Not sure why that would trigger anyone.

We are about to hit 10 BILLION shots administered globally. You literally had to go to the other side of the planet to New Zealand to try to find a "probable" example.

This is a case where the exception proves the rule.

Also, I didn't say, "not a single person has died from the vaccine". I said people aren't dying from the vaccine. Which is true now almost 10 billion times over.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:30 am Mrs 99 had her 1st night back at work since her surgery a month ago.
She does not work on a covid floor, but it does take overflow. Almost 100% of patients are covid, the vast majority are unvaccinated.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:04 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:33 am Much less serious, but: my older kids’ schools are closed today and tomorrow. Not distance learning or anything like that. Just shut down. Because 50% of the district staff is out with Covid.

Get the damn shots, people.

I am 100% "pro vaxx" and want people to get the damn shots too but......
While probably highly doubtful, it's possible the person who brought Covid in to their school was vaccinated and all those who contracted Covid and spread it to each other were vaccinated too.

Yesterday I was standing in line at the Nike Store and a couple of HS kids who are sneaker heads showed up. I asked them why they weren't in school. I didn't know when I asked them that many Chicago area schools were closed yesterday because "it was too cold". One kid goes to a private school and the other goes to a "magnet" school - and both schools had decided to close for the day.
I laughed - and it wasn't funny. I said to them, It's amazing to me how it's too cold for you to go to school (one kid's mother drives him to school pretty much every day) but not too cold for you to commute (via train and bus) and stand in line outside for 15 minutes to wait to get in to a store you in no way need to be going in to.
One kid responded, At least I'm not going to get Covid from my teachers or classmates today. I jokingly said, well - you're going to get it from me.
Point of my sharing that is - as I have said before, I am happy I don't have a kid in regards to the current state of Covid. I figure I would be damned if I sent my kid to school and I would be damed if I didn't - but yesterday helped put things in a better perspective to me. Kids can catch Covid anywhere and unless you are keeping them locked inside the house, if they are going to get Covid, it's probably better they catch it by being in school than by standing next to some asshole in line at a Nike store on a school day.

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:53 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:30 am Mrs 99 had her 1st night back at work since her surgery a month ago.
She does not work on a covid floor, but it does take overflow. Almost 100% of patients are covid, the vast majority are unvaccinated.

We're also at a very low % vaccinated around here (in the hospital)....and they aren't the ones in really bad shape.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:38 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:53 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:30 am Mrs 99 had her 1st night back at work since her surgery a month ago.
She does not work on a covid floor, but it does take overflow. Almost 100% of patients are covid, the vast majority are unvaccinated.

We're also at a very low % vaccinated around here (in the hospital)....and they aren't the ones in really bad shape.

I'm sure it's lower than that when you account for people in the hospital with covid vs. for covid.

Your stats are misleading. fyp.

The Florida controversy underscores a bizarre phenomenon: That while largely baseless vaccine hesitancy has hindered the U.S. pandemic response, Americans are tripping over themselves to take therapeutics that are experimental, expensive, and ineffective — precisely the characteristics that anti-vaccine advocates falsely ascribe to Covid immunizations, which are proven, free, and effective.

“It is confusing that people are willing to take what is really an experimental monoclonal antibody, but they aren’t willing to take a vaccine that millions of people have gotten, and has been shown to be safe and effective,” said Sonja Rasmussen, a physician, former CDC official, and professor of pediatrics and epidemiology at the University of Florida.

It’s not a new phenomenon, either. Throughout the pandemic, right-wing advocates have argued that doctors should prescribe hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug, to treat Covid-19. No data suggest either is an effective treatment.

...

Beyond their ineffectiveness against Omicron, Eli Lilly and Regeneron’s therapies are vastly more expensive to taxpayers. Eli Lilly’s treatment cost the federal government roughly $1,250 per dose; Regeneron’s cost $2,100.

The vaccines, by contrast, are far cheaper: The federal government has paid Moderna just over $15 per dose, on average, and paid Pfizer just under $20.

The cost disparity, too, highlights yet another inconsistency: Distrust of drug companies and their profit motives has driven substantial vaccine hesitancy, but people are far less skeptical when it comes to exorbitantly expensive, unproven treatments.

“If the reason you’re giving for not wanting the vaccine is that ‘Big Pharma’ made it and is profiting from it, certainly you can say the same thing — probably even more so — for monoclonals,” Rasmussen said. “People aren’t being consistent. They’re going with their politics more than with their thinking.”

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:57 pm Some Americans are hesitant about Covid vaccines. But they’re all-in on unproven treatments

https://www.statnews.com/2022/01/27/som ... reatments/

The Florida controversy underscores a bizarre phenomenon: That while largely baseless vaccine hesitancy has hindered the U.S. pandemic response, Americans are tripping over themselves to take therapeutics that are experimental, expensive, and ineffective — precisely the characteristics that anti-vaccine advocates falsely ascribe to Covid immunizations, which are proven, free, and effective.

“It is confusing that people are willing to take what is really an experimental monoclonal antibody, but they aren’t willing to take a vaccine that millions of people have gotten, and has been shown to be safe and effective,” said Sonja Rasmussen, a physician, former CDC official, and professor of pediatrics and epidemiology at the University of Florida.

It’s not a new phenomenon, either. Throughout the pandemic, right-wing advocates have argued that doctors should prescribe hydroxychloroquine, an antimalarial drug, and ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug, to treat Covid-19. No data suggest either is an effective treatment.

...

Beyond their ineffectiveness against Omicron, Eli Lilly and Regeneron’s therapies are vastly more expensive to taxpayers. Eli Lilly’s treatment cost the federal government roughly $1,250 per dose; Regeneron’s cost $2,100.

The vaccines, by contrast, are far cheaper: The federal government has paid Moderna just over $15 per dose, on average, and paid Pfizer just under $20.

The cost disparity, too, highlights yet another inconsistency: Distrust of drug companies and their profit motives has driven substantial vaccine hesitancy, but people are far less skeptical when it comes to exorbitantly expensive, unproven treatments.

“If the reason you’re giving for not wanting the vaccine is that ‘Big Pharma’ made it and is profiting from it, certainly you can say the same thing — probably even more so — for monoclonals,” Rasmussen said. “People aren’t being consistent. They’re going with their politics more than with their thinking.”