Kansas Crimson

South Africa is a disaster from top to bottom. I wouldnt look to SA for anything

i don’t find it hard to believe at all, that you know “progressive”

would you agree that the ranchers you know that are doing such things are in the minority of all ranchers?

if drastic changes don’t come now, then when? again, your solutions just pass the buck onto your kids and grandkids

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:03 pm South Africa is a disaster from top to bottom. I wouldnt look to SA for anything

jfc dude, if you’re not gonna listen to the story don’t comment

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:18 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:03 pm South Africa is a disaster from top to bottom. I wouldnt look to SA for anything

jfc dude, if you’re not gonna listen to the story don’t comment

Could say the same to you

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:40 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:18 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:03 pm South Africa is a disaster from top to bottom. I wouldnt look to SA for anything

jfc dude, if you’re not gonna listen to the story don’t comment

Could say the same to you

about what?

i read your links. and i’ve never denied the premise that there are good ranching/farming practices

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:49 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:40 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:18 pm

jfc dude, if you’re not gonna listen to the story don’t comment

Could say the same to you

about what?

i read your links. and i’ve never denied the premise that there are good ranching/farming practices

You have universally dismissed it as me trying to maintain "status quo" or "a way of life" without acknowledging its merit as a potential alternative to our current predicament nor providing alternate reasonable solutions orher than "use less"....as if that doesn't require a significant effort and substantial change. All while saying "they wont change".

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:59 am There are Miles of farmland that could be grazed when the crops arent in them. Again, mutually beneficial.

Because telling farmers what to do with their land always goes well...

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:22 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:49 pm

TDub wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:40 pm

Could say the same to you

about what?

i read your links. and i’ve never denied the premise that there are good ranching/farming practices

You have universally dismissed it as me trying to maintain "status quo" or "a way of life" without acknowledging its merit as a potential alternative to our current predicament nor providing alternate reasonable solutions orher than "use less"....as if that doesn't require a significant effort and substantial change. All while saying "they wont change".

that’s just false

your solution is no more reasonable, and i’d argue it’s less-reasonable because it doesn’t address the root cause of the issue

i’ve already agreed that there are more sustainable ranching methods than what most employ. what you’ve failed to offer up is any way to get more ranchers to follow those methods. you acknowledged that over-grazing is still. major issue, but provided no road map for how to incentivize better practices.

somehow, you’re convinced that just giving them more land to manage will miraculously make them change their methods

why haven’t more already changed their methods?

and again, why are you ok punting on the consumption/lifestyle issue for future generations to tackle? you’re solution is only a temporary band-aid at best. at worst, it could be even more destructive than the status quo

a more tangible solution from my perspective would involve a cap on grazing leases and better regulation/management of carrying capacities on current allotments

prove to “me” that the majority of leasers can manage more responsibly

and i don’t think i’m going out in a limb here when i assume that for every progressive rancher doing things the responsible way, there’s a bundy willing to break the rules and cut fences because they feel it’s their right, and not a privilege, to run however many cows they want on whatever land they want

…and a gummint that gets all feckless and impotent about enforcing any sort of anything upon those ranchers.

Oh!

And raining again here today!

It used to be an every afternoon of the summer kinda thing. But this is the first time it’s rained for two afternoons straight in the last 3 summers

we actually got some good rain last night...thunder and lightening too

grateful there were no fires sparked

edit: another heat dome is supposedly on the way...ugh

https://www.axios.com/heat-wave-tempera ... bfc7e.html

So in all cases we manage by increasing supply (more water by desalination, more grazing land etc) rather than having at least an equal contribution from decreasing demand (change in landscaping, lower beef consumption).

As one professor used to say “when you have a problem of kids defecating in the pool the solution shouldn’t involve adding more kids”. Remember when doctors used to shill for cigarettes? “We always used to do it that way” and “way of life” arguments only get so far! It’s also the first thing someone turns to when they’re out of practical and reasonable points to make.

Im not talking about adding any supply. The land is already there, the cattle are already there...its about being smarter and more efficient about using them both. In the end its also more profitable and why I think it has as good a chance at working as anything else being proposed. Of course it wont fix every issue but something that is disproportionately drug thru the coals for causing the problem can be a viable part of the solution instead.

Also, if your kid shits in the pool....they shouldn't be at the pool in tbe first place. But that should be in the kids thread.


Additionally thanks for your additions to the solution pile while calling me out as being out of practical and reasonable solutions. You embody the bay area.

11th worst air quality in the world today

lovely

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:05 pm https://www.axios.com/heat-dome-derecho ... aa91d.html

Yep, local news and weather forecasters predicting we very well may see a/the Derecho in Chicagoland tonight.
If it happens, I feel bad for the 100,000 or so Lollapaloozaheads who were planning on attending tomorrow.
Shit (stages, amenities, food tents, etc.,) very well may get blown away if they can't and don't disassemble them today/tonight. I'm thinking there is a potential/possible (probable?) risk for cancellation of tomorrow's performances.
On another weather related note, I just farted. I'll let you figure out how it is/was weather related.

i guess beggars shouldn’t be choosers, but a summer’s worth of rain in a few hours?

https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/ro ... od-canyon/