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In a dream scenario, we wouldn't have an ever expanding government always finagling ways to expand their control and power. We wouldn't live in a country flooded with millions of illegal immigrants trying to be coerced into voting. We wouldn't need IDs for many things. But we need to secure our elections. Otherwise government will continue to do shady things to keep the people they want in office
Ridiculous level of hyperbole.zsn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:27 pm You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.
You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.
Holy fuck! That is a hell of a circle you are spinning there!randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:14 pm I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary
You're gross but yes, they should be free if required for voting.randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:14 pm I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary
Trump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:56 pmRidiculous level of hyperbole.zsn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:27 pm You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.
You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.
Drastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:48 pmTrump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:56 pmRidiculous level of hyperbole.zsn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:27 pm You know what is the first prerequisite for government doing shady things to keep the people they want in office? Fearmongering about the dangers of “other people”. We did this with the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries, with African Americans in the 19th and 20th. Germany tried it in the 1930s.
You’re not libertarian. You’re fascist. What is the distance between “everyone must carry an ID” and “some must wear outward signs on their clothing”? Ihre Papiere, bitte.
It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.
You can go right on ahead and go fuck yourself with that. Anyone OK with rolling the military and armed bands of racist thugs against citizens is a traitor to our country and the Constitution.JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:53 pmDrastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:48 pmTrump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.
It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.
You make the fucking list since you're claiming it's so long. Voting is the ONLY time I can recall using my drivers license to prove who I am in the last 3 months.randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:31 pm Now make a list for all the things you DO need an ID for and tell me why voting wouldn't make more sense than most of them
The “foul(est) play” in American election history was when his dude tried to disenfranchise 81 million voters, but sure let’s use those tricks to advance the ball on voter suppression.Overlander wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:30 pmHoly fuck! That is a hell of a circle you are spinning there!randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:14 pm I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary
Come on randy.randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:14 pm I've always said any citizen should be able to get an ID for free. I think it's alarming that, even being in poverty, you can't get far enough ahead to pay for your own ID. A homeless drug addict could panhandle for a couple hours and get enough money for that. See it happen all the time. If you are an adult who has truly made such a mess or your life that you genuinely can't afford an ID, I can't imagine you're going to be making an informed vote or be the kind of person we should be counting on to elect leaders. But everyone should always have the right to vote. And if an ID is the hurdle, make them free. Because we've seen foul play in elections, and IDs have become necessary
Back at you if you think it is okay to hand over my country to foreign invaders.twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:59 pmYou can go right on ahead and go fuck yourself with that. Anyone OK with rolling the military and armed bands of racist thugs against citizens is a traitor to our country and the Constitution.JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:53 pmDrastic problems call for drastic solutions. It’s a more restrained approach than what I would take.twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:48 pm
Trump wants to use the military to go into communities and pull people out who are undocumented, which can only be done by violating the civil rights of millions of US citizens. He has also stated that he would "make it OK" for armed civilians to do it which is insane.
It's not hyperbole. It is what Trump has stated he will allow.
It’s mine. You seem to want one that’s some kind of absurd scatological facsimile.
Somewhat snide response probably worthy of a 6.5+ on the Guttermeter........
No one is handing over our country. Talk about hyperbole. What a drama queen.JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:11 pmBack at you if you think it is okay to hand over my country to foreign invaders.
They sure are. 10 million plus flooded across the border on Giggles’ watch.