Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:14 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:04 am
That doesn't frustrate me at all. It's one of the few truly honest things you have said here.

I don't think I've ever been unclear about that fact.

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:14 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:14 am

I don't think I've ever been unclear about that fact.

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

Very well put, twocoach.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:14 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:04 am
That doesn't frustrate me at all. It's one of the few truly honest things you have said here.

I don't think I've ever been unclear about that fact.

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:17 am i hope the US goes to shit and we all become migrants…and the door gets shut in your face when you go looking for compassion and assistance

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:14 am

I don't think I've ever been unclear about that fact.

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:14 am

I don't think I've ever been unclear about that fact.

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:21 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

But that’s why I asked what your time horizon is for this. Because oceans and currents and winds and heat don’t care about borders.



In other words: the hottest month in the history of months.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:21 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

But that’s why I asked what your time horizon is for this. Because oceans and currents and winds and heat don’t care about borders.



In other words: the hottest month in the history of months.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:29 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:21 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

But that’s why I asked what your time horizon is for this. Because oceans and currents and winds and heat don’t care about borders.



In other words: the hottest month in the history of months.

Like I said somewhere else, where the fuck do GOP voters think all those people living in the tropics of the Americas when they can no longer plant crops or continue to live there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropics

Look at the map, dummies. There isn't enough land to the south. That leaves NORTH. You'd think that their desire to protect our borders would take precedence over their desire to show how "anti-woke" they are in their refusal to do anything about climate change.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:17 am i hope the US goes to shit and we all become migrants…and the door gets shut in your face when you go looking for compassion and assistance

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:25 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:09 am

You just can't apply selfish principles to laws that affect an entire community, city, state or nation. It's a recipe for feeling frustrated and "not represented" because you will expect to be represented in and by everything. Not being about you has been transformed into "being against me" by Trump's GOP because he recognizes how motivating grievance politics is. GOP has been transformed into "Grievance Only Platform" because their only platform seems to be a desire to stick it to someone else for daring to make it about anyone else and not just white, male Christians.

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

This notion that we can only do one thing is corny. Our government has far more time, money, programs and focus being spent on the welfare of US citizens than on Ukraine. To try to say otherwise is a deliberate lie. I am sorry that you feel that your increase in grocery and gas costs is more important than the people being raped, murdered and enslaved in Ukraine. The government is trying to get the public sector free markets involved on board reeling in their record profits they are enjoying but that takes "more government" in the form of regulations, legislation, audits and capping of free enterprise, AKA things that the GOP actively fight against. Don't whine about shit you help to cause.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:37 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:17 am i hope the US goes to shit and we all become migrants…and the door gets shut in your face when you go looking for compassion and assistance

I'm not wishing ill on anyone but this brings up an interesting point. Psych had a change of heart on abortion when it affected he and his family directly. Originally, only whores needed to get an abortion, only through personal experience did he change his mind. Yet he gives no second thought to immigrants coming here to escape violence in their home countries. A total lack of empathy for others is causing a lot of problems.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:40 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:37 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:17 am i hope the US goes to shit and we all become migrants…and the door gets shut in your face when you go looking for compassion and assistance

I'm not wishing ill on anyone but this brings up an interesting point. Psych had a change of heart on abortion when it affected he and his family directly. Originally, only whores needed to get an abortion, only through personal experience did he change his mind. Yet he gives no second thought to immigrants coming here to escape violence in their home countries. A total lack of empathy for others is causing a lot of problems.

I don't wish ill on anyone. I am not unsympathetic. But, as I have said repeatedly, the lifeboat is swamped and we are all going to end up living in lesser conditions if the flow isn't managed. I like Ramaswamy's notion of merit-based immigration. Seems like a good way of managing the issue long-term versus just bailing water.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:40 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:37 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:17 am i hope the US goes to shit and we all become migrants…and the door gets shut in your face when you go looking for compassion and assistance

I'm not wishing ill on anyone but this brings up an interesting point. Psych had a change of heart on abortion when it affected he and his family directly. Originally, only whores needed to get an abortion, only through personal experience did he change his mind. Yet he gives no second thought to immigrants coming here to escape violence in their home countries. A total lack of empathy for others is causing a lot of problems.

I don't wish ill on anyone. I am not unsympathetic. But, as I have said repeatedly, the lifeboat is swamped and we are all going to end up living in lesser conditions if the flow isn't managed. I like Ramaswamy's notion of merit-based immigration. Seems like a good way of managing the issue long-term versus just bailing water.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:40 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:37 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:17 am i hope the US goes to shit and we all become migrants…and the door gets shut in your face when you go looking for compassion and assistance

I'm not wishing ill on anyone but this brings up an interesting point. Psych had a change of heart on abortion when it affected he and his family directly. Originally, only whores needed to get an abortion, only through personal experience did he change his mind. Yet he gives no second thought to immigrants coming here to escape violence in their home countries. A total lack of empathy for others is causing a lot of problems.

I don't wish ill on anyone. I am not unsympathetic. But, as I have said repeatedly, the lifeboat is swamped and we are all going to end up living in lesser conditions if the flow isn't managed. I like Ramaswamy's notion of merit-based immigration. Seems like a good way of managing the issue long-term versus just bailing water.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:39 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:25 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:13 am

I think there is a difference between "sticking it to someone else" and expecting other countries to take responsibility for their own well-being and that of their citizens. We cannot effectively govern the whole world, as has been demonstrated during the Obiden presidency. Making sure that we are in good shape and our citizens are taken care of should always be priority one for the POTUS.

This notion that we can only do one thing is corny. Our government has far more time, money, programs and focus being spent on the welfare of US citizens than on Ukraine. To try to say otherwise is a deliberate lie. I am sorry that you feel that your increase in grocery and gas costs is more important than the people being raped, murdered and enslaved in Ukraine. The government is trying to get the public sector free markets involved on board reeling in their record profits they are enjoying but that takes "more government" in the form of regulations, legislation, audits and capping of free enterprise, AKA things that the GOP actively fight against. Don't whine about shit you help to cause.

One, I'm not whining. I'm investing all of my energy in trying to fix the problems I'm dealing with.
Two, I didn't cause anything. I'm not the idiot sending billions of dollars to Ukraine when our own infrastructure is in shambles and our own military is undermanned and underequipped. I'm not interested in money spent "relative to" other countries. It should all be spent on us because it is our tax money. I don't know why that isn't common sense, but it obviously is not.

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:48 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:40 am

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:37 am

I'm not wishing ill on anyone but this brings up an interesting point. Psych had a change of heart on abortion when it affected he and his family directly. Originally, only whores needed to get an abortion, only through personal experience did he change his mind. Yet he gives no second thought to immigrants coming here to escape violence in their home countries. A total lack of empathy for others is causing a lot of problems.

I don't wish ill on anyone. I am not unsympathetic. But, as I have said repeatedly, the lifeboat is swamped and we are all going to end up living in lesser conditions if the flow isn't managed. I like Ramaswamy's notion of merit-based immigration. Seems like a good way of managing the issue long-term versus just bailing water.

We seem to have a lot of room in this country. I drive through miles and miles of empty space a lot. We are also short handed for AG jobs. So quit with the we're full bullshit. What's your real reason? It seems to be, "I got mine, fuck you."