Kansas Crimson

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:45 pm also, lawyer from Palm Beach county has filed federally to bar trump from the race per the 14th amendment

The technical details around that are not especially clear.

I do not think there is strong support for the notion that Trump must be convicted of any particular crime for that prohibition to apply.

But clearly there needs to be a finding - so who is that, and how exactly does it go? Is it a federal courts issue (because it's a matter of constitutional interpretation)? Or is it a state courts issue (because the way it works on the ground is that he'll appear, or not, on state ballots)?

If the former, do the numerous, final judgments regarding 1/6 defendants suffice? Or does Trump need to have been a party to a proceeding?

If the latter, what happens if two states resolve the question differently, but on completely different sets of facts?

(Much smarter people than me are looking at this from a very nuanced strategic perspective - if the Dems are successful in keeping Trump off the ballot in even one swing state, it probably scares the GOP off nominating Trump. But is that what the dems actually WANT? What a goddamn mess, how fun.)

it really is a mess

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:05 pm it really is a mess

And, god, the bad-faith slippery-slope howling there will be.

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:44 pm

You could always tell the smart-but-lazy kids from the actually-dumb kids. The actually-dumb kids were the ones who cheated for 98s.

March 2024 for federal elections interference trial

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:10 pm with all the other news, this flew under the radar:

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/23/trump- ... doj-filing

sounds like it was IT guy that flipped after changing counsel

hmmmm…directed to delete footage? naaahhh…

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:43 am March 2024 for federal elections interference trial

Cracks me up to no end that one member of the coterie of idiots representing Trump went on TV over the weekend and said that Trump knows the facts and therefore does not need time to prepare for trial.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:16 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:10 pm with all the other news, this flew under the radar:

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/23/trump- ... doj-filing

sounds like it was IT guy that flipped after changing counsel

hmmmm…directed to delete footage? naaahhh…

And that's sort of the nutshell of how all of this works; lying about vague, mafia-style implied "directions" is significantly more damaging to the defense than vague, mafia-style implied "directions" themselves.

Almost like there's a pithy saying about this sort of thing, arising out of a DIFFERENT pub's significant legal troubles.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:18 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:43 am March 2024 for federal elections interference trial

Cracks me up to no end that one member of the coterie of idiots representing Trump went on TV over the weekend and said that Trump knows the facts and therefore does not need time to prepare for trial.

only the best people

Not sure what subset of rubes he is trying to convince that "the tide is turning". It is always about the grift with the trumps so best guess his he wants big donors who have backed off to get back on board and send money. They have to recalibrate the irony meter every time this jackass speaks.

In an appearance Monday on Newsmax, Donald Trump Jr. tried to depict his indicted father’s arrest and mugshot in Georgia as some sort of pivotal moment in the effort to win over the support of Black people, who he claimed Democrats are trying to “weaponize.”

On The Balance, host Eric Bolling began by claiming that as a result of the arrest and mugshot, “the African American community—the Black community—is rallying behind Donald Trump.” This supposed turn of events, he said, was an unexpected “phenomenon.”

Trump Jr. agreed with Bolling’s argument, which has also been made several times over on Fox News by host Jesse Watters. He first pointed to the reception his father received while en route to the Fulton County Jail last Thursday night.

“The crowds screaming for the motorcade—I mean, they were for Trump!” he said of those who lined the streets, even though some of whom did not support the former president.

Trump Jr. then claimed that when he spoke at an event in Las Vegas the day after his father’s booking, Black security guards told him they sympathized with the former president’s situation.

“The people that actually struck me the most were not people in attendance; it was the security guards at the event. A group of them on like three separate occasions—African American men—came up to me. They go, ‘Hey man, we’re not voting for that other guy. We get all this stuff.’” Trump Jr. claimed.

“It was like they were going out of their way to let me know that they understood exactly what was going on,” he continued, adding that even though Republicans have often strived to make inroads in the Black community yet have come up short, the arrest of his father was “different.”

“Maybe one day, you know, people will realize that... the Democrats have literally done nothing to help the African American community,” Trump Jr. added before claiming the opposition was going to use the Black community to its advantage. “If anything, they've done incredible and perhaps in many cases irreparable damage to those either to that community.”

“I think as they see it further play out, that could be a game-changing demographic,” he added.

“I’m sure that’ll be a demographic that will be attempted to be weaponized. I just think—especially, again with the men—they’re going to see through it, because they’ve been dealing with this for a long time.”


Yes, black men have been dealing with this for a long time, at least since 1989 for sure.

Many people are saying, etc.

“The people that actually struck me the most were not people in attendance; it was the security guards at the event. A group of them on like three separate occasions—African American men—came up to me. They go, ‘Hey man, we’re not voting for that other guy. We get all this stuff.’” Trump Jr. claimed.

This sounds so much much like the stories a preacher tells the congregation.

“Tickets are going fast!”

Today In: Justice delayed is justice denied:

Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:25 pm Today In: Justice delayed is justice denied:

There’s also a good amount of strategy here. This isn’t what I do, but from what I’ve read the concern on Willis’ end is that she might have trouble using the lawyers’ actions against Trump if the charges against them are adjudicated separately. It would certainly give Trump a preview of the prosecution’s strategy.