Re: Let’s have a war!
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 7:11 am
Finland, come on down…you’re the next contestant…
good!TDub wrote: ↑Wed May 18, 2022 11:07 pm https://www.npr.org/2022/05/18/10997670 ... imes-trial
first Russian on trial for war crimes
The American War Propaganda Machine has always been strong. The brainwashing here is as powerful as anywhere in the world. Look at mich's dumbass and his "greatest country by a WIDE margin" take. He actually believes that!ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am so this tweet thread is…something?
If we could do so without turning it into the automobiles thread, I’d be curious to hear some reactions.
It poses questions that we Mericans are conditioned to…just not ask? Or even refuse to consider? About what the US’s role is in foreign meddling, and whether merica should be accountable for war crimes too. And just generally how propagandized we are and have been.
I’ll admit, I haven’t researched every minute detail. But I don’t just blanket accept (nor reject) it either, nor should you.
and before you knee jerk accuse Qusdahl of being a Putin spam bot again, please consider this doesn’t even directly mention Russia, nor Ukraine.
If you choose to ignore certain facts and highlight certain other facts, you can present any narrative. If the general point is that the US has at points in history behaved deplorably then I would agree with that. There isn't any argument against it.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am so this tweet thread is…something?
If we could do so without turning it into the automobiles thread, I’d be curious to hear some reactions.
It poses questions that we Mericans are conditioned to…just not ask? Or even refuse to consider? About what the US’s role is in foreign meddling, and whether merica should be accountable for war crimes too. And just generally how propagandized we are and have been.
I’ll admit, I haven’t researched every minute detail. But I don’t just blanket accept (nor reject) it either, nor should you.
and before you knee jerk accuse Qusdahl of being a Putin spam bot again, please consider this doesn’t even directly mention Russia, nor Ukraine.
Illy will be here shortly to disprove this theorytwocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 10:13 amThere isn't any argument against it.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am so this tweet thread is…something?
If we could do so without turning it into the automobiles thread, I’d be curious to hear some reactions.
It poses questions that we Mericans are conditioned to…just not ask? Or even refuse to consider? About what the US’s role is in foreign meddling, and whether merica should be accountable for war crimes too. And just generally how propagandized we are and have been.
I’ll admit, I haven’t researched every minute detail. But I don’t just blanket accept (nor reject) it either, nor should you.
and before you knee jerk accuse Qusdahl of being a Putin spam bot again, please consider this doesn’t even directly mention Russia, nor Ukraine.
Not even I would argue against that.Overlander wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 1:53 pmIlly will be here shortly to disprove this theorytwocoach wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 10:13 amThere isn't any argument against it.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am so this tweet thread is…something?
If we could do so without turning it into the automobiles thread, I’d be curious to hear some reactions.
It poses questions that we Mericans are conditioned to…just not ask? Or even refuse to consider? About what the US’s role is in foreign meddling, and whether merica should be accountable for war crimes too. And just generally how propagandized we are and have been.
I’ll admit, I haven’t researched every minute detail. But I don’t just blanket accept (nor reject) it either, nor should you.
and before you knee jerk accuse Qusdahl of being a Putin spam bot again, please consider this doesn’t even directly mention Russia, nor Ukraine.
He finally said it out loud.KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:58 am if only it were about nazis
https://thehill.com/news/3518666-putin- ... lands/amp/
Putin compares self to Peter the Great, says he is taking back Russian lands
I haven't really seen anyone specifically trying to craft Ukraine as some sort of model of democracy and freedom. Maybe I don't pay enough attention but it seems that they are just being portrayed as a country who wants to retain their independence and whose people don't want to be bombed, shot, attacked, raped and pillaged by Russians.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:04 am Cato institute lulz
https://www.cato.org/commentary/whitewa ... corruption
https://www.cato.org/commentary/news-me ... rows-worse
Exactly.twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:51 amI haven't really seen anyone specifically trying to craft Ukraine as some sort of model of democracy and freedom. Maybe I don't pay enough attention but it seems that they are just being portrayed as a country who wants to retain their independence and whose people don't want to be bombed, shot, attacked, raped and pillaged by Russians.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:04 am Cato institute lulz
https://www.cato.org/commentary/whitewa ... corruption
https://www.cato.org/commentary/news-me ... rows-worse
yea. Since you said it first, maybe you don't pay enough attention.twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:51 amI haven't really seen anyone specifically trying to craft Ukraine as some sort of model of democracy and freedom. Maybe I don't pay enough attention but it seems that they are just being portrayed as a country who wants to retain their independence and whose people don't want to be bombed, shot, attacked, raped and pillaged by Russians.ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:04 am Cato institute lulz
https://www.cato.org/commentary/whitewa ... corruption
https://www.cato.org/commentary/news-me ... rows-worse
President Biden, in his March 26 remarks on the war, said the conflict was “a battle between democracy and autocracy, between liberty and repression, between a rules‐based order and one governed by brute force.”
CNN’s John Blake literally compared Ukraine’s cause to America’s in its Revolutionary War. He claimed Ukrainians “are building their own monuments to democracy, with their blood.” The world, he said, “has been transfixed by their battle to repel the mighty Russian army and preserve the birth of democracy in their homeland.” He added that “the war in Ukraine isn’t just a geopolitical struggle—it’s a call to remember. The courage of the Ukrainian people is a reminder of what the U.S. used to be—a ‘beacon of liberty,’ where virtually every schoolchild memorized the ‘Concord Hymn’ poem inscribed at the base of the Minute Man statue.”
In a March 26 USA Today op‐ed, John M. Bridgeland, director of the White House Domestic Policy Council under President George W. Bush, similarly expressed fawning admiration for Zelensky and Ukraine’s alleged commitment to democracy. “The world is seeing the bravery of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Ukrainian people, who are willing to die to defend their democracy and freedom,” he wrote. Indeed, Bridgeland said, “No cost is too high [for Ukrainians] to defend their democracy and beloved Ukraine.”
Fox News contributor and former CIA station chief Dan Hoffman contended that “What scares Vladimir Putin at the heart of this conflict is democracy. It’s not that NATO represents a threat.” He added that “Putin couldn’t stomach a democracy on his border with a Russian‐speaking population and commercial links to Europe. That’s why he launched this brutal attack which has caused so many Ukrainian civilians, innocent civilians, to die.”
Qusdahl's ok with that too!BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:57 am
Exactly.
Our help is much more about the innocent Ukrainian citizens than it is about the Ukranian government.
I am okay with that.