Kansas Crimson

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:09 pm**

dolomite wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:00 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm If you want to know why good and religious people did vote for Trump and will do so again, here you go:

Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.
LGBTQ is a really stupid campaign issue. Many more important things to argue about.

To you and others like you.

Pretty sure it is important to millions of other people who will be voting.

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:39 pm**

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:08 pm Mike Pence is no more anti-LGBTQ that Barack Obama was when he ran for president the first time.

Besides, "anti-LGBTQ" is a stoopid designation anyway.
lulz

links to the legislation Obama signed and backed that was anything remotely close to those of Pence?

Obama believed in conversion therapy?

Wait. Obama signed legislation before he became president?

Ewe shore?

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 pm**

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm If you want to know why good and religious people did vote for Trump and will do so again, here you go:

Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.

What is Pence's position. In its entirety.

I'll wait here.

Oh. And for the record, she didn't call his position disgusting. She said that orthodox Christians, orthodox Jews, and orthodox Muslims are not decent people.

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:59 pm**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:39 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:08 pm Mike Pence is no more anti-LGBTQ that Barack Obama was when he ran for president the first time.

Besides, "anti-LGBTQ" is a stoopid designation anyway.
lulz

links to the legislation Obama signed and backed that was anything remotely close to those of Pence?

Obama believed in conversion therapy?
Wait. Obama signed legislation before he became president?

Ewe shore?

is Pence president?

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:59 pm**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm If you want to know why good and religious people did vote for Trump and will do so again, here you go:

Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.
What is Pence's position. In its entirety.

I'll wait here.

Oh. And for the record, she didn't call his position disgusting. She said that orthodox Christians, orthodox Jews, and orthodox Muslims are not decent people.

you’re trying too hard

Posted: **Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:06 pm**

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:59 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:39 pm
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
lulz

links to the legislation Obama signed and backed that was anything remotely close to those of Pence?

Obama believed in conversion therapy?
Wait. Obama signed legislation before he became president?

Ewe shore?
is Pence president?

You're not trying hard enough.

Posted: **Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:29 pm**

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:13 am**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm If you want to know why good and religious people did vote for Trump and will do so again......

I seriously doubt that the people who you have in mind when you made this assertion were ever going to vote for Trump’s opponent, even if he was Jesus Christ - especially if he is Jesus Christ, come to think of it!

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:47 am**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm If you want to know why good and religious people did vote for Trump and will do so again, here you go:

Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.
What is Pence's position. In its entirety.

I'll wait here.

Oh. And for the record, she didn't call his position disgusting. She said that orthodox Christians, orthodox Jews, and orthodox Muslims are not decent people.

http://web.archive.org/web/200105191650 ... ssues.html

- Opposed gay marriage: "Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage. "

- signed a law that allowed businesses to claim "religious freedom" as an excuse for refusing to service gay people

- voted against employment nondiscrimination protections for gay and transgender people: "Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual's as a "discreet and insular minority" entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities. "

- voted to repeal "don't ask, don't tell". "bringing an end to the "don't ask/don't tell" policy of permitting homosexuals to serve in the armed forces. Homosexuality is incompatible with military service because the presence of homosexuals in the ranks weakens unit cohesion."

- and his absurd one which led to the notion of his "support" of conversion therapy, which he really didn't do directly but his policy would provide government funding to support businesses that supported conversion therapy. "Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior. "

So yeah, Pence's stance against the LGBTQ community are pretty clear.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:02 am**

it, like, almost mirrors Obama’s...lol

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:36 am**

Anyone remember when "conservative" republicans said: "Let business be business"?

Or whined on and on about democrats "picking winners and losers"?

Guess what... Like "the fiscal responsibility party" and "the law and order party", republicans don't give a damn about any of that, all they care about is winning, even if they have to support a lying sack of shit like Donald Trump:

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:36 am**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:36 pm If you want to know why good and religious people did vote for Trump and will do so again, here you go:

Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.
What is Pence's position. In its entirety.

I'll wait here.

Oh. And for the record, she didn't call his position disgusting. She said that orthodox Christians, orthodox Jews, and orthodox Muslims are not decent people.

The funny part is, if she had omitted Christians and said it was simply Jews and Muslims who were not decent people, she could have swung herself some of the MAGA votes.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:33 am**

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:47 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.
What is Pence's position. In its entirety.

I'll wait here.

Oh. And for the record, she didn't call his position disgusting. She said that orthodox Christians, orthodox Jews, and orthodox Muslims are not decent people.
http://web.archive.org/web/200105191650 ... ssues.html

- Opposed gay marriage: "Congress should oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status with heterosexual marriage. "

- signed a law that allowed businesses to claim "religious freedom" as an excuse for refusing to service gay people

- voted against employment nondiscrimination protections for gay and transgender people: "Congress should oppose any effort to recognize homosexual's as a "discreet and insular minority" entitled to the protection of anti-discrimination laws similar to those extended to women and ethnic minorities. "

- voted to repeal "don't ask, don't tell". "bringing an end to the "don't ask/don't tell" policy of permitting homosexuals to serve in the armed forces. Homosexuality is incompatible with military service because the presence of homosexuals in the ranks weakens unit cohesion."

- and his absurd one which led to the notion of his "support" of conversion therapy, which he really didn't do directly but his policy would provide government funding to support businesses that supported conversion therapy. "Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior. "

So yeah, Pence's stance against the LGBTQ community are pretty clear.

Yes. His stance is objectively not pro-LGBTQ but not anti-LGBTQ either, which, apparently, is enough for him to be declared "not decent."

I'd think you might understand that this proves my point, but maybe not.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:37 am**

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:36 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:51 pm
Religious people will vote for Trump because Dems point out that Pence's stance on LG...... is disgusting, uneducated and ignorant? That is as smart as voting for Trump because they are tired of being called racist.
What is Pence's position. In its entirety.

I'll wait here.

Oh. And for the record, she didn't call his position disgusting. She said that orthodox Christians, orthodox Jews, and orthodox Muslims are not decent people.

The funny part is, if she had omitted Christians and said it was simply Jews and Muslims who were not decent people, she could have swung herself some of the MAGA votes.

Deplorables?

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:38 am**

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:02 am it, like, almost mirrors Obama’s...lol

Do you know anything about Obama in 2008?

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:41 am**

His stance is objectively not pro-LGBTQ but not anti-LGBTQ either...

lulz

if you aren't for their rights, you are against

but please, do define that gray area for all of us

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:45 am**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:38 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:02 am it, like, almost mirrors Obama’s...lol
Do you know anything about Obama in 2008?

that he initially didn't support gay marriage? many didn't, but many of those now do. does pence?

https://www.voanews.com/a/lgbt-activist ... 63246.html

i really can't believe you're trying to draw equivalencies between Obama and pence on this front

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:47 am**

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:45 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:38 am
TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:02 am it, like, almost mirrors Obama’s...lol
Do you know anything about Obama in 2008?
that he initially didn't support gay marriage? many didn't, but many of those now do. does pence?

https://www.voanews.com/a/lgbt-activist ... 63246.html

i really can't believe you're trying to draw equivalencies between Obama and pence on this front

Wow, why the strong feelings about LGBTQ issue?

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:48 am**

I really can't believe how badly you continue to miss the point.

Posted: **Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:54 am**

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:48 am I really can't believe how badly you continue to miss the point.

Mike Pence is no more anti-LGBTQ that Barack Obama was when he ran for president the first time.

this is false

if you disagree, do provide links to support your stance. i've looked, and only found reference for Obama not backing same-sex marriage initially. what else you got? cuz that hardly proves your point

or was what you posted not the point you were trying to make?

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