Kansas Crimson

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:59 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:56 pm

StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:59 am But yet those same persons do not care at all about those who are disabled or die from the shots.

Help me out here.

We shouldn’t care about a 1% mortality rate from Covid (well over a million), but we should be up in arms over a .00000001% of vaccinated folks (well over 224m) who have health issues that MAY be a result of being vaccinated?

Does that make sense to you?

We shouldn't give a shit about either one. Let em all decide for themselves what they wanna do with their lives. Thank you for finally understanding

Exactly the mentality that keeps us in the cycle of 3-400 people a day dying of Covid

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:06 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:59 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:56 pm

Help me out here.

We shouldn’t care about a 1% mortality rate from Covid (well over a million), but we should be up in arms over a .00000001% of vaccinated folks (well over 224m) who have health issues that MAY be a result of being vaccinated?

Does that make sense to you?

We shouldn't give a shit about either one. Let em all decide for themselves what they wanna do with their lives. Thank you for finally understanding

Exactly the mentality that keeps us in the cycle of 3-400 people a day dying of Covid

People selling cigarettes is exactly the mentality that keeps 3-400 people dying a day of lung cancer
People selling alcohol is exactly the mentality that keeps 3-400 people dying a day of liver failure
People driving cars is exactly the mentality that keeps 3-400 people dying a day of accidents
People making processed foods is exactly the mentality that keeps 3-400 people dying a day of heart disease

Its time for you guys to get over yourselves seriously. What do you really expect at this point. Immortality?

Every passing day just more and more evidence that the "safe and effective" vaccine they forced on everybody is not so safe, and not so effective. Lol.

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:13 pm

JFC

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:14 pm Every passing day just more and more evidence that the "safe and effective" vaccine they forced on everybody is not so safe, and not so effective. Lol.

Actually a good way to show that would be some studies done on that, as opposed to anecdotes and random media clips. Would you care to provide any that support your sentiments?

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:14 pm Every passing day just more and more evidence that the "safe and effective" vaccine they forced on everybody is not so safe, and not so effective. Lol.

Why would/did you end your sentence with a "Lol"? If it's true, you find humor in it?

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:16 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:14 pm Every passing day just more and more evidence that the "safe and effective" vaccine they forced on everybody is not so safe, and not so effective. Lol.

Why would/did you end your sentence with a "Lol"? If it's true, you find humor in it?

I find it funny that myself and the conspiracy theorists were right about this all along. And I find it funny how rude people where to us for a couple years. Ill give you and a couple others credit for at least continuing the conversation, but a lot of people have just quit talking now that the narrative has shifted

Pdub even wants to silence me now lol. Never had a problem about me arguing my side for the past couple years, but now that my side is pretty clearly the right one, he has sent a "warning" about posting covid stuff

But no rainbows. I dont find anything about covid funny. It was the most frustrating clusterfuck we've ever seen. It divided our country more than maybe anything ever. And it showed just how broken our political system is, by exposing just how far they will push their lies, manipulation, and agendas on us

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:03 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:16 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:14 pm Every passing day just more and more evidence that the "safe and effective" vaccine they forced on everybody is not so safe, and not so effective. Lol.

Why would/did you end your sentence with a "Lol"? If it's true, you find humor in it?

I find it funny that myself and the conspiracy theorists were right about this all along. And I find it funny how rude people where to us for a couple years. Ill give you and a couple others credit for at least continuing the conversation, but a lot of people have just quit talking now that the narrative has shifted

Exactly right about what along? You keep trying to say (or at least imply) the Covid vaccine is of no (or even little) value to ALL people who have received it. That's simply not true.

Of course people were going to be rude to other people who took pride in not giving a fuck about their fellow man/woman and pretending they truly knew more than what those in the science and medical fields were saying. Yes, of course in hindsight mistakes were made. I could be wrong but I don't believe there is a single scientist and doctor who would claim they are perfect.

I continue to have the conversation because of several reasons.
I DISagree with some/much of what you and StayQ say and claim - and let it be known.
I agree with some of what you say - and let it be known.
I am someone who usually (but not always) tries to see (and listen to) both sides to an "argument", despite which side I agree with.
If people don't have conversations and aren't willing to listen and learn, then the world is a worse place - for me.
That being said, some people need to learn to shut the fuck up because they are 100% wrong and are preaching harmful shit. That's not directed at you specifically. That's a general statement.

Thats never been my argument tho rainbows. I've said all along its good we have vaccines, they are crucial for a very small percentage of people (then <5% who would die without them)

My point all along was vaccines never should have been forced on anyone. The were rushed, do not prevent transmission and have risks and limitations. They vast majority of people (90+%) never needed vaccines, and sure as fuck should hot have been coerced into getting them. Ive said that all along. And its proven at this point

There were plenty of doctors, epidemiologists, etc that felt the same way. And they were having their voices silenced and censored by big tech companies who were pressured by government agencies. That is absolutely absurd

I agree that the vaccine should never have been forced on anyone.

Yet, whatever risks, if there really are any, of getting the vaccine, are minimal compared to the risks of not getting one, even if young and healthy. This is an actual fact. F a c t. Once again, this bares repeating : this is factual. Actually occurring:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/factual

agreed.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:02 am I agree that the vaccine should never have been forced on anyone.

I somewhat disagree. We have been compelling mass vaccination for all sorts of diseases over the years, with limited exceptions. Small pox, polio, measles etc. These are public health concerns. The unvaccinated put others at risk. Once everyone is vaccinated and/or the disease is eradicated the vaccination ends.

Who knew that this one would become an intelligence test and bring the loonies out of the woodwork!

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:56 am My point all along was vaccines never should have been forced on anyone. The were rushed, do not prevent transmission and have risks and limitations. They vast majority of people (90+%) never needed vaccines, and sure as fuck should hot have been coerced into getting them. Ive said that all along. And its proven at this point

Any of us who chose to attend college were required to prove that we had received an MMR vaccine despite the fact that some can still get the measles despite being vaccinated. Where was all this outrage then? The military has been forcing soldiers to get a broad spectrum of vaccination for decades. Where was the outrage then? All of this outrage is purely politically based and is fundamentally dishonest.

Your statement that 90+% "didn't need it" is just a made up assumption to support your flimsy case. The vaccination reduces the likelihood of getting it if you had not had it before and it severely reduced the likelihood of your case being severe if you did still get it after vaccination. It has clearl proven out to be a necessary tool in the pandemic.

Let's put this in the most simple form possible. Let's say that no COVID vaccine was ever created. Do you believe that more people would have died from COVID or less people? It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the answer is "more". If it had not been made available, more people would be dead and our economy would be in shambles.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:43 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:56 am My point all along was vaccines never should have been forced on anyone. The were rushed, do not prevent transmission and have risks and limitations. They vast majority of people (90+%) never needed vaccines, and sure as fuck should hot have been coerced into getting them. Ive said that all along. And its proven at this point

Any of us who chose to attend college were required to prove that we had received an MMR vaccine despite the fact that some can still get the measles despite being vaccinated. Where was all this outrage then? The military has been forcing soldiers to get a broad spectrum of vaccination for decades. Where was the outrage then? All of this outrage is purely politically based and is fundamentally dishonest.

Your statement that 90+% "didn't need it" is just a made up assumption to support your flimsy case. The vaccination reduces the likelihood of getting it if you had not had it before and it severely reduced the likelihood of your case being severe if you did still get it after vaccination. It has clearl proven out to be a necessary tool in the pandemic.

Let's put this in the most simple form possible. Let's say that no COVID vaccine was ever created. Do you believe that more people would have died from COVID or less people? It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the answer is "more". If it had not been made available, more people would be dead and our economy would be in shambles.

add most anyone in the medical profession and most public schools to the list of things requiring some level of vaccination…oh, and a lot of international travel as well

but, this has all been pointed out previously…

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:52 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:43 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 6:56 am My point all along was vaccines never should have been forced on anyone. The were rushed, do not prevent transmission and have risks and limitations. They vast majority of people (90+%) never needed vaccines, and sure as fuck should hot have been coerced into getting them. Ive said that all along. And its proven at this point

Any of us who chose to attend college were required to prove that we had received an MMR vaccine despite the fact that some can still get the measles despite being vaccinated. Where was all this outrage then? The military has been forcing soldiers to get a broad spectrum of vaccination for decades. Where was the outrage then? All of this outrage is purely politically based and is fundamentally dishonest.

Your statement that 90+% "didn't need it" is just a made up assumption to support your flimsy case. The vaccination reduces the likelihood of getting it if you had not had it before and it severely reduced the likelihood of your case being severe if you did still get it after vaccination. It has clearl proven out to be a necessary tool in the pandemic.

Let's put this in the most simple form possible. Let's say that no COVID vaccine was ever created. Do you believe that more people would have died from COVID or less people? It is CLEARLY OBVIOUS that the answer is "more". If it had not been made available, more people would be dead and our economy would be in shambles.

add most anyone in the medical profession and most public schools to the list of things requiring some level of vaccination…oh, and a lot of international travel as well

but, this has all been pointed out previously…

All of these facts are being ignored by the very same people who say things like "If people don't have conversations and aren't willing to listen and learn, then the world is a worse place - for me."

They don't actually want to listen; they just want to be listened to.
They aren't actually against censorship; they are just against being censored.
They aren't actually against big government; they are just against being negatively impacted by big government.

Every single day, people like this show up, open their mouths and prove what freaking hypocrites they really are. They have chosen the story they feel justifies their behavior and are offended that people call them liars despite it being clear that it is the case. It's like OJ Simpson taking offense to being called a murderer.