pdub wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:04 pm
Read between the lines.
Lol.
"He doesn't say what I want him to say so I just make some shit up and imply that is what he really meant even though he didn't say it."
No wonder those of this ilk just love this world of "alternate facts" that they live in. They can just make any stupid shit up and their buddies believe them and praise them for being so smart and good at "reading between the lines." It's the ultimate jerk circle jerk.
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:25 pm
What is it that you think this video is proving
Basically, it's proving that even those who signed up for 3 shots (like Campbell did) are now recognizing that the shots were a huge scam or at least, do nothing to help with the pandemic. Campbell was originally encouraging the shots, but since now there's a huge increase in deaths in young adults since 2021, he can read the writing on the wall. Campbell was fooled, but at least he recognizes it now.
I went back and watched the video again and took some notes. He literally said none of the things that you claimed. All he said was that the "mass vaccine rollout programs" should be paused while they do studies on the current state of things now that so many people have already been infected with covid and the number of people who are being hospitalized is continually declining. I don't know what "mass vaccine rollouts" he is referring to since the vaccine is simply something that is available IF someone wants to get it. Personally, I feel that the high volume of people aged 12+ in the UK that have been vaccinated, along with the high percentage of people who weren't killed by covid but have been infected is what is responsible for the continued decrease of hospitalizations, which is exactly what was explained as the goal when the vaccines were first rolled out.
He states that the combination means that there is much less of a risk of infection now than when the vaccines were first rolled out, which I also agree with. He also asked that the current method of intramuscular injections of mRNA vaccines be paused while they review whether it is the best method of providing an mRNA vaccine.
He said NOTHING about the shots being scams. He said NOTHING about them not having helped the pandemic. He said NOTHING about an increase in deaths among young adults. Every single portion of your statement was deliberately dishonest, which is odd coming from someone who claims to be all about the truth.
Ever notice that the more people claim to be truthful, the less truthful they turn out to be?
Basically, it's proving that even those who signed up for 3 shots (like Campbell did) are now recognizing that the shots were a huge scam or at least, do nothing to help with the pandemic. Campbell was originally encouraging the shots, but since now there's a huge increase in deaths in young adults since 2021, he can read the writing on the wall. Campbell was fooled, but at least he recognizes it now.
I went back and watched the video again and took some notes. He literally said none of the things that you claimed. All he said was that the "mass vaccine rollout programs" should be paused while they do studies on the current state of things now that so many people have already been infected with covid and the number of people who are being hospitalized is continually declining. I don't know what "mass vaccine rollouts" he is referring to since the vaccine is simply something that is available IF someone wants to get it. Personally, I feel that the high volume of people aged 12+ in the UK that have been vaccinated, along with the high percentage of people who weren't killed by covid but have been infected is what is responsible for the continued decrease of hospitalizations, which is exactly what was explained as the goal when the vaccines were first rolled out.
He states that the combination means that there is much less of a risk of infection now than when the vaccines were first rolled out, which I also agree with. He also asked that the current method of intramuscular injections of mRNA vaccines be paused while they review whether it is the best method of providing an mRNA vaccine.
He said NOTHING about the shots being scams. He said NOTHING about them not having helped the pandemic. He said NOTHING about an increase in deaths among young adults. Every single portion of your statement was deliberately dishonest, which is odd coming from someone who claims to be all about the truth.
Ever notice that the more people claim to be truthful, the less truthful they turn out to be?
"I'm not saying you're wrong, but"
"Don't take this the wrong way, but"
"I'm not trying to be offensive, but"
"I'm not mad, but"
"I've got to be the cleanest, I think I'm the most honest human being, perhaps, that God has ever created," Trump said.
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:34 pm
He said NOTHIN...
You have to watch some more of his videos and read between the lines. He cannot say exactly what he implies because he has said many times that Youtube will delete his channel if he does.
This is just late-stage Foxbrain, in a nutshell.
* There's a theory someone knows, intuitively, is stupid. But someone wants it to be true, because it aligns with their diseased worldview.
* So they find a guy who (makes money off rubes and) says things they can Da Vinci Code their way into saying support or even prove that stupid, but diseased-worldview-consistent, theory.
* BUT - the guy can't quite come out and actually say the bullshit theory is true. Because...*checks notes*...the content moderation policies of a private company would be tripped by the guy just coming out and SAYING something that is complete bullshit. (And also because giving out morsels of the bullshit theory, and letting other people infer the complete bullshit theory, gives the guy tissue-thin cover.)
* So, instead of taking a few deep breaths and using one's powers (?) of discernment to consider whether, maybe, the theory is bullshit...one will wind his way around to saying that YouTube (a private company that, just to be clear, is NOT the government) is somehow abridging some guy's free speech rights by not letting him, on YouTube's private platform, come right out and SAY things that are complete bullshit.
* And finally, since the "facts" have to fit the narrative, one will say this is all part of some elaborate conspiracy to suppress the "truth". Grumble grumble Jewish space lasers, grumble grumble just asking questions, grumble grumble.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:55 am
by KUTradition
the best part about all of it, is that it’s a global conspiracy
most of the world can’t get their collective shit together to tackle other global issues, but a novel medical treatment for an emerging global health threat? and in record time, no less? all the powers that be are on board…and all for the profit of a handful of [already ridiculously profitable] pharma companies
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:10 am
by jfish26
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 10:55 am
the best part about all of it, is that it’s a global conspiracy
most of the world can’t get their collective shit together to tackle other global issues, but a novel medical treatment for an emerging global health threat? and in record time, no less? all the powers that be are on board…and all for the profit of a handful of [already ridiculously profitable] pharma companies
There are so many amazing, almost-awe-inspiring inconsistencies in logic. Among them, people that usually line up with small-government, low-taxes, "don't punish success", and so on...use the fact that people/companies make money as a way to say they are somehow of ill intent.
But more broadly - maybe before someone is allowed to demand that they be taken seriously, they should have to give an 8th-grade-level book report on The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (the story, not the movie).
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:34 pm
He said NOTHIN...
You have to watch some more of his videos and read between the lines. He cannot say exactly what he implies because he has said many times that Youtube will delete his channel if he does.
He doesn't imply anything of what you said, either. You're just lying.
twocoach wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:34 pm
He said NOTHIN...
You have to watch some more of his videos and read between the lines. He cannot say exactly what he implies because he has said many times that Youtube will delete his channel if he does.
He doesn't imply anything of what you said, either. You're just lying.
See, I don't think it's actually lying, at least in the "I know I am not telling the truth" way. It's more like, "I desperately want this to be true, so I'm going to assume every single inference needed in order to convince myself I'm right."
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:51 am
by StayCurious
I like how everyone just ignored the example in quotes. lol. Living in this strange denial, as Randy said.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:57 am
by twocoach
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 11:51 am
I like how everyone just ignored the example in quotes. lol. Living in this strange denial, as Randy said.
Eh, I replied to that on the last page but YOU ignored it.
"Yet another case of "pay attention to what he didn't say, then tweak it to mean whatever you want?" He said nothing other than to read some stats and describe that he isn't sure what is causing them and that the organization doesn't provide any details either. SO once again you are just making shit up and applying to an "expert" as if it somehow lends more credibility to your made-up nonsense."
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:11 pm
by StayCurious
He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.
Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:19 pm
by randylahey
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:11 pm
He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.
Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.
He should say it on Twitter. Where free speech is a thing again. But I havent watched the video
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:32 pm
by StayCurious
You don't need to watch the entire thing. The moment I'm referring to is at: 14:21
"There's 363,000 more (deaths) than at the start of the pandemic. This is a BIG increase. Now you would think the Office of National Statistics would go through quite a few possibilities for this. Unfortunately, they don't. All they said is, 'NHS waiting times' as the main factor. Is this a factor? Yes, of course it is. Are there other factors? I strongly suspect so, but the Office of National Statistics does not discuss them, nor are they being debated on mainstream media to any degree at all, which is surprising."
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:34 pm
by twocoach
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:11 pm
He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.
Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.
The guy is speaking plain English; it's not hard to understand what he is saying and it isn't hard to understand what he is getting at. You're just jumping to conclusions.
Saying that a 6% increase over the five year average is "huge" is absurd, no matter how calm a voice you say it in. Go look at the data he is referring to. Considering the various spikes that have happened over the last 5 years, being 6% over expectations doesn't seem to be surprising at all.
He also states that "no one is looking into this rise, which is a bold faced lie as I can find numerous articles by the UK gov't from 2020 through current day. They have another update with additional details on Jan 23rd. 2023
He is just dragging rubes like you along for the ride so he can financially benefit from your clicks.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:36 pm
by twocoach
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:32 pm
You don't need to watch the entire thing. The moment I'm referring to is at: 14:21
"There's 363,000 more (deaths) than at the start of the pandemic. This is a BIG increase. Now you would think the Office of National Statistics would go through quite a few possibilities for this. Unfortunately, they don't. All they said is, 'NHS waiting times' as the main factor. Is this a factor? Yes, of course it is. Are there other factors? I strongly suspect so, but the Office of National Statistics does not discuss them, nor are they being debated on mainstream media to any degree at all, which is surprising."
He is playing your desire to see "conspiracy" when it just means that the source that provides the data simply isn't the group that would be doing detailed research on WHY the data is what it is. They just provide the data. There are other groups that do the analysis and I have provided links to those. The discussions are happening despite his claims.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:44 pm
by StayCurious
Campbell has reported himself as vaccine injured. He developed hypertension after his booster. He's also had on guests who were severely injured from the covid shot.
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:11 pm
He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.
Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.
The guy is speaking plain English; it's not hard to understand what he is saying and it isn't hard to understand what he is getting at. You're just jumping to conclusions.
Saying that a 6% increase over the five year average is "huge" is absurd, no matter how calm a voice you say it in. Go look at the data he is referring to. Considering the various spikes that have happened over the last 5 years, being 6% over expectations doesn't seem to be surprising at all.
He also states that "no one is looking into this rise, which is a bold faced lie as I can find numerous articles by the UK gov't from 2020 through current day. They have another update with additional details on Jan 23rd. 2023
Contents of this article
The summer of 2022 showed a noticeable excess mortality, but this was lower than in 2020 and 2021
COVID-19, heat waves, healthcare backlogs: several potential contributors to excess mortality
COVID-19 vaccines aren’t responsible for the excess mortality of 2022
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:11 pm
He's very careful with his words, but it's as clear as mud what he was saying. He can't say "the vaccines are not being investigated for deaths" because Youtube would ban him. He's got 3 million subscribers and doesn't want to lose that.
Let's see if Randy understands. If he can understand the video, then I think it's clear that you're just pretending to not understand.
The guy is speaking plain English; it's not hard to understand what he is saying and it isn't hard to understand what he is getting at. You're just jumping to conclusions.
Saying that a 6% increase over the five year average is "huge" is absurd, no matter how calm a voice you say it in. Go look at the data he is referring to. Considering the various spikes that have happened over the last 5 years, being 6% over expectations doesn't seem to be surprising at all.
He also states that "no one is looking into this rise, which is a bold faced lie as I can find numerous articles by the UK gov't from 2020 through current day. They have another update with additional details on Jan 23rd. 2023
Contents of this article
The summer of 2022 showed a noticeable excess mortality, but this was lower than in 2020 and 2021
COVID-19, heat waves, healthcare backlogs: several potential contributors to excess mortality
COVID-19 vaccines aren’t responsible for the excess mortality of 2022
Interesting article, thank you for sharing. I see more data out there discussing the impact of the record heat wave in the UK over the summer and the impact that had on "excess deaths" data as well.
"A joint report by UKHSA and the Office for National Statistics (ONS) shows the effect of this summer’s record temperatures on excess mortality."
The same ONS that StayCurious' doctor "source" claims has not been providing any details about increases in excessive deaths.
"Initial analysis by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) shows that across the 5-heat periods in the summer of 2022, the estimated total excess mortality (excluding coronavirus (COVID-19)) in England was 2,803 for those aged 65 and over. This is the highest excess mortality figure during heat-periods observed since the introduction of the Heatwave plan for England in 2004."
It makes for a much better fodder by Right Wing loons that the COVID vaccine is behind any spike in deaths rather than actually acknowledging that global warming had a hand in at least part of it.
There is also a reference to a website, pandem-ic.com, that compared the vaccination coverage of world countries with their excess mortality rates and found ZERO correlation between higher vaccination rates and higher excess mortality rates, directly contradicting StayCurious' claim.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:27 pm
by twocoach
StayCurious wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:44 pm
Campbell has reported himself as vaccine injured. He developed hypertension after his booster. He's also had on guests who were severely injured from the covid shot.
Swing and a miss, as others on here would say.
"Reported himself"..."also had on guests who made similar claims"...
Like I said, Donald Trump "reported himself" to be the most honest creature that God has ever created. That means nothing. But maybe he is one of the small percentage of people who react unfavorably to vaccine. It has been openly discussed that there are some people that have adverse reactions to these and every other vaccination and medication that exists on this planet. That still doesn't get us from what he is stating to what you are claiming.
No one is disputing the fact that millions of people are making all sorts of similar claims. I am sure the fact that he supplements his retirement income nicely with whatever fat check having 3 million youtube subscribers gets you has no bearing on any of his claims, questions or innuendo.
Re: COVID-19 - On the Ground
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:35 pm
by randylahey
There were a couple people that literally died from getting the vaccine. They always ignore those. Which is hilarious. "Safe and effective"... then why are those people dead
Its extremely rare. But still. For those couple people, if they would've skipped the vaccine and just got covid they had a 99 percent chance of not dying