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Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:42 pm
by JKLivin
twocoach wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:33 pm
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:59 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:57 pm

Do you consider birthright citizenship to be legitimate?
When you’re born to people who are here legally, sure. Not big on anchor babies.
You don't seem to know what birthright citizenship is. Per the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Didn’t account for cheaters.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:53 pm
by jfish26
That is a personal gripe. The Constitution says what it says. I suggest you write your lawmakers and direct their attention to Article V.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:00 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:53 pm That is a personal gripe. The Constitution says what it says. I suggest you write your lawmakers and direct their attention to Article V.
Actually, it’s really not a legal issue. You tell the parents “You have broken the law and must leave. You can either take your kids with you or make arrangements for them here.” Simple.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:25 pm
by jfish26
I'm glad you think it's simple!

So when Miguel turns 18, he's free to come back in?

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:32 pm
by randylahey
I'd honestly be OK with keeping parents of "birthright citizens" here, with nonlegal status. The equivalent of a visa, provided they are following the laws and paying into the system like the rest of us. There's no need to split families.

In fact the biggest issue is ending any incentives for further illegal immigration. No more hand outs no nothing.

All the ones here committing crimes. Deport them the fuck out of here tho.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:33 pm
by randylahey
But I don't feel a bit sorry for anyone getting deported. You broke our laws and snuck into our country. You are stealing resources and opportunities from our citizens, you can get the fuck out. You made your bed now you get to sleep in it. And if you had kids while you are here, and are forced to decide between taking them with you or leaving them here when you get deported, that's on you

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:34 pm
by randylahey
Legal immigrants: welcome
Illegal immigrants: fuck off
Migrants: bullshit term to blend the 2 together

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:34 pm
by jfish26
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:32 pm I'd honestly be OK with keeping parents of "birthright citizens" here, with nonlegal status. The equivalent of a visa, provided they are following the laws and paying into the system like the rest of us. There's no need to split families.

In fact the biggest issue is ending any incentives for further illegal immigration. No more hand outs no nothing.

All the ones here committing crimes. Deport them the fuck out of here tho.
I'm quoting this before you realize that you are pretty much describing the status quo.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:42 pm
by zsn
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:32 pm I'd honestly be OK with keeping parents of "birthright citizens" here, with nonlegal status. The equivalent of a visa, provided they are following the laws and paying into the system like the rest of us. There's no need to split families.
Honestly the first reasonable thing you have posted. But the rest of your ilk calls this “Amnesty”, and is vehemently opposed. Don’t believe me? Ask psych if he agrees with you. Ask mich and ask him to ask his mall “folks”

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:45 pm
by zsn
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:33 pm But I don't feel a bit sorry for anyone getting deported. You broke our laws and snuck into our country. You are stealing resources and opportunities from our citizens, you can get the fuck out. You made your bed now you get to sleep in it. And if you had kids while you are here, and are forced to decide between taking them with you or leaving them here when you get deported, that's on you
What to do with the guy who picks up your “target” in the Home Depot parking lot to clean his gutters and paint the living room? Same “you broke the law…..”?

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:00 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:10 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:05 pm
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:47 am

Trump will not lose Florida. The only people who can't understand/take a joke are called Dims, and they weren't going to vote for him anyway.
I won't vote for or against Trump because of a joke someone told at his rally.
I might vote for or against Trump because of the way his followers (notice I didn't say supporters?) reacted and responded to the jokeS (plural). That is/was what was more offensive to me than the actual jokes.

In regard to if Trump will or won't lose Florida.
Trump won Florida by about 1% in 2016.
Trump won Florida by about 3% in 2020.
I wouldn't count on Trump winning or losing Florida based on what people THINK may or may not happen.
To paraphrase Hinchcliffe's response to the oUTrAgE: "I'm a comedian. I don't normally follow the National Anthem. Go change your tampon, Tim."
Damn! That Hinchcliffe guy is Hillaryious!
To help you out yet again, what he said/did made no difference to me in regards to my feelings for Trump and his MAGAts. I already knew they were pieces of shit. The problem for people such as yourself and other Pubs is.......
Read the entire article.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trumps-sho ... et-to-call

I'll also add, you are smart enough to know that there are other important positions that people are voting for on November 5th. As many Pubs have said, it was a really bad look to have this comedian come up on stage and tell not funny jokes while ripping apart Americans to appease - what? That's right! Like I said before, pieces of shit.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:01 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:25 pm I'm glad you think it's simple!

So when Miguel turns 18, he's free to come back in?
Is he a citizen? Will he come in and register himself to pay taxes?

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:06 pm
by jfish26
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:01 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:25 pm I'm glad you think it's simple!

So when Miguel turns 18, he's free to come back in?
Is he a citizen? Will he come in and register himself to pay taxes?
If he was born in the United States, he is a citizen. That is the law.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:16 pm
by randylahey
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:00 pm
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:10 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:05 pm

I won't vote for or against Trump because of a joke someone told at his rally.
I might vote for or against Trump because of the way his followers (notice I didn't say supporters?) reacted and responded to the jokeS (plural). That is/was what was more offensive to me than the actual jokes.

In regard to if Trump will or won't lose Florida.
Trump won Florida by about 1% in 2016.
Trump won Florida by about 3% in 2020.
I wouldn't count on Trump winning or losing Florida based on what people THINK may or may not happen.
To paraphrase Hinchcliffe's response to the oUTrAgE: "I'm a comedian. I don't normally follow the National Anthem. Go change your tampon, Tim."
Damn! That Hinchcliffe guy is Hillaryious!
To help you out yet again, what he said/did made no difference to me in regards to my feelings for Trump and his MAGAts. I already knew they were pieces of shit. The problem for people such as yourself and other Pubs is.......
Read the entire article.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trumps-sho ... et-to-call

I'll also add, you are smart enough to know that there are other important positions that people are voting for on November 5th. As many Pubs have said, it was a really bad look to have this comedian come up on stage and tell not funny jokes while ripping apart Americans to appease - what? That's right! Like I said before, pieces of shit.
Same standard??


Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:39 pm
by twocoach
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:42 pm
twocoach wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:33 pm
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:59 pm

When you’re born to people who are here legally, sure. Not big on anchor babies.
You don't seem to know what birthright citizenship is. Per the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Didn’t account for cheaters.
So your belief is that the group of people that were either born in a different country (8 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence) or born to parents from another country didn't account for that?

You serious, Clark?

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:42 pm
by JKLivin
jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:06 pm
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:01 pm
jfish26 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:25 pm I'm glad you think it's simple!

So when Miguel turns 18, he's free to come back in?
Is he a citizen? Will he come in and register himself to pay taxes?
If he was born in the United States, he is a citizen. That is the law.
I wasn’t sure who “Miguel” was in your hypothetical. He’s welcome to stay in the first place. His parents have a hard decision to make.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:43 pm
by Overlander
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:16 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:00 pm
JKLivin wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:10 pm

To paraphrase Hinchcliffe's response to the oUTrAgE: "I'm a comedian. I don't normally follow the National Anthem. Go change your tampon, Tim."
Damn! That Hinchcliffe guy is Hillaryious!
To help you out yet again, what he said/did made no difference to me in regards to my feelings for Trump and his MAGAts. I already knew they were pieces of shit. The problem for people such as yourself and other Pubs is.......
Read the entire article.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trumps-sho ... et-to-call

I'll also add, you are smart enough to know that there are other important positions that people are voting for on November 5th. As many Pubs have said, it was a really bad look to have this comedian come up on stage and tell not funny jokes while ripping apart Americans to appease - what? That's right! Like I said before, pieces of shit.
Same standard??

I didn't hear him mention Mexicans.
Are you implying that white folks don't steal?

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:44 pm
by twocoach
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:32 pm I'd honestly be OK with keeping parents of "birthright citizens" here, with nonlegal status. The equivalent of a visa, provided they are following the laws and paying into the system like the rest of us. There's no need to split families.

In fact the biggest issue is ending any incentives for further illegal immigration. No more hand outs no nothing.

All the ones here committing crimes. Deport them the fuck out of here tho.
The handouts aren't the reason the vast majority are coming here. They are coming here to flee where they come from and for the chance to work and make a living wage.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:45 pm
by twocoach
Overlander wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:43 pm
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:16 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:00 pm

Damn! That Hinchcliffe guy is Hillaryious!
To help you out yet again, what he said/did made no difference to me in regards to my feelings for Trump and his MAGAts. I already knew they were pieces of shit. The problem for people such as yourself and other Pubs is.......
Read the entire article.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trumps-sho ... et-to-call

I'll also add, you are smart enough to know that there are other important positions that people are voting for on November 5th. As many Pubs have said, it was a really bad look to have this comedian come up on stage and tell not funny jokes while ripping apart Americans to appease - what? That's right! Like I said before, pieces of shit.
Same standard??

I didn't hear him mention Mexicans.
Are you implying that white folks don't steal?
Same. Leave tools and materials out on any work site in America and the stuff is likely to be stolen. Every pawn shop in the Midwest is full of tools most likely stolen from construction sites.

Re: What happened to the immigration thread?

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:48 pm
by Overlander
twocoach wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:45 pm
Overlander wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:43 pm
randylahey wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 4:16 pm

Same standard??

I didn't hear him mention Mexicans.
Are you implying that white folks don't steal?
Same. Leave tools and materials out on any work site in America and the stuff is likely to be stolen. Every pawn shop in the Midwest is full of tools most likely stolen from construction sites.
Luckily, while the Mexicans are locked down in the camps, stealing will be 100% eradicated.
Hell, you will be able to leave your car running with your wallet on the dash and the windows open. It will be a utopia.