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Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:57 pm
by Shirley
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Bibi closed the door on much of it.
Conservatives need enemies to animate their base and stay in power.
^^^
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:08 pm
by DCHawk1
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Arafat closed the door on much of it. Sparky is insane.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:25 pm
by ousdahl
there is a qray sort of hot take out there that Israel helped to create Hamas.
Israel wanted to destabilize the Palestinian community and the left-leaning Arafat leadership, so they helped to establish the religious-right Hamas.
if you REALLY wanna get qray, the whole idea of October 7 being likely preventable, and Bibi was even forewarned, but maybe neglected to take it seriously so he could use a Hamas attack as pretext for an ethnic cleansing.
now, remember, I'm the qray one, no matter what...but at least I'm not posting videos like "brown-skinned dood ripping Judaism apart." That would just be way too qray qray like for realz!
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:25 pm
by ousdahl
Sparko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:15 am
It has been a tough lifetime for most Palestinians. This might have been a moot question had Rabin lived. Not bibi fan.
I heard one observation that this is the fourth war every Palestinian kid aged 14+ has endured so far in their lifetime.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:47 pm
by mjl2
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Bibi closed the door on much of it. Conservatives need enemies to animate their base and stay in power.
Oh really?
What happened when Israel left the Gaza strip unilaterally? Did rocket fire on civilians increase or decrease?
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:04 pm
by DCHawk1
mjl2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:47 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Bibi closed the door on much of it. Conservatives need enemies to animate their base and stay in power.
Oh really?
What happened when Israel left the Gaza strip unilaterally? Did rocket fire on civilians increase or decrease?
Rocket fire -- like the four wars Q cites -- just materializes out of thin air. It all just...sorta...happens.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:54 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:04 pm
mjl2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:47 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Bibi closed the door on much of it. Conservatives need enemies to animate their base and stay in power.
Oh really?
What happened when Israel left the Gaza strip unilaterally? Did rocket fire on civilians increase or decrease?
Rocket fire -- like the four wars Q cites -- just materializes out of thin air. It all just...sorta...happens.
Yeah, I kind of wonder at what point/S after 2005, having 10,000+ rockets and mortars fired at CIVILIANS with the intent to injure and kill THEM, do people feel Israel should have had the right to say enough is enough and do something about it?
Then of course October 7th came along.
I am going to estimate and believe 95% of people pissed off at Israel right now don't take 1 second to consider what the Israelis have endured - nor do/will they condemn Hamas for it.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:10 am
by ousdahl
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:04 pm
mjl2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:47 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Bibi closed the door on much of it. Conservatives need enemies to animate their base and stay in power.
Oh really?
What happened when Israel left the Gaza strip unilaterally? Did rocket fire on civilians increase or decrease?
Rocket fire -- like the four wars Q cites -- just materializes out of thin air. It all just...sorta...happens.
oh come on bro, it's not like this is the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:09 am
by Sparko
You have to understand the settlement issue to see that Bibi's policies were toxic too. Terrorism is a bad thing. So is lack of hope. There were means to mitigate this. That died in the animus to all things Clinton in the early W administration. We have unconditionally supported Israel and will continue. But it has not gotten us near the peace we should covet.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:15 am
by Sparko
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:08 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Arafat closed the door on much of it. Sparky is insane.
This is hilarious. Literally a conservative demonizing me to animate the base. QED
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:35 am
by DCHawk1
Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 11:15 am
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:08 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Arafat closed the door on much of it. Sparky is insane.
This is hilarious. Literally a conservative demonizing me to animate the base. QED
You know this is a KU message board, right?
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:49 pm
by TDub
a guy a few miles down the road has a new addition to his glorious, illuminated flag display. He's up to 7 flags now. In order:
1. Betsy Ross 13 star flag
2. Confederate flag
3. Trump 2024 flag
4. Fuck Biden flag
5. Russian flag
6. America 1st flag
7. Palestine flag.
He also has a window sticker in his living room window that says OreGUNian.
I really don't know, so I'll let y’all draw your own conclusions. He seems confused on a number of levels.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:04 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
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Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:36 pm
by dolomite
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:08 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 4:30 pm
My point is the way to have avoided October 7 2023 was accommodation long before. There were moments of hope years ago. Arafat closed the door on much of it. Sparky is insane.
My thoughts on “hope” below.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:31 pm
by dolomite
Are we keeping score?
Israel 10,000+ killed mercifully
Hamas 1400+ raped then shot, beheaded, dismembered, butchered, and if need be, burned.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2023 8:03 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:31 pm
Are we keeping score?
Jews 10,000+
Hamas 1400+
I assume you realize the IDF is/are not all Jewish.
That and at least 25% of Israeli citizens/residents are not Jewish.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:19 am
by jfish26
TDub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:49 pm
a guy a few miles down the road has a new addition to his glorious, illuminated flag display. He's up to 7 flags now. In order:
1. Betsy Ross 13 star flag
2. Confederate flag
3. Trump 2024 flag
4. Fuck Biden flag
5. Russian flag
6. America 1st flag
7. Palestine flag.
He also has a window sticker in his living room window that says OreGUNian.
I really don't know, so I'll let y’all draw your own conclusions. He seems confused on a number of levels.
How many of those flags can he see at one time? I don't fully know where the eye-holes are cut on his hood.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:20 am
by KUTradition
i thought psych lived in Michigan, not Oregon
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:32 am
by RainbowsandUnicorns
TDub wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 5:49 pm
a guy a few miles down the road has a new addition to his glorious, illuminated flag display. He's up to 7 flags now. In order:
1. Betsy Ross 13 star flag
2. Confederate flag
3. Trump 2024 flag
4. Fuck Biden flag
5. Russian flag
6. America 1st flag
7. Palestine flag.
He also has a window sticker in his living room window that says OreGUNian.
I really don't know, so I'll let y’all draw your own conclusions. He seems confused on a number of levels.
Let me guess, he has an arsenal?
It's as if someone craves/want's attention and then dares others to give it to him.
Re: Israel/Palestine
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:01 am
by dolomite
dolomite wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 7:31 pm
Are we keeping score?
Israel 10,000+ killed mercifully
Hamas 1400+ raped then shot, beheaded, dismembered, butchered, and if need be, burned.
Bump