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Leawood wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:56 am I am depressed. This President, this election cycle, the reaction to it, and the uneducated reaction to it concerns me.

And I am getting old.

I've honestly stopped following. Like, we all know the president is a crook. I don't need to listen to the tapes to have it proven.

I also know that the it's not a one-sided thing. The left really stinks with things they have done too.

It's just fatigue. It's been literally non-stop shit since the impeachment thing began a year ago. Ever since then, it's been exhausting to even just catch out of the corner of your eye.

Leawood wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:56 am I am depressed. This President, this election cycle, the reaction to it, and the uneducated reaction to it concerns me.

And I am getting old.

it SHOULD concern most everyone, imo

i don’t think your age has anything to do with it

it’s wholly undemocratic, illogical and divisive

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:41 am I also know that the it's not a one-sided thing. The left really stinks with things they have done too.

link?

i know the dems aren’t perfect, but when have they done anything even close to this?

I'm not going to link anything. It's pretty common knowledge that both sides are sleazy in things that they do and the people that they are.

I came of age during Nixon’s resignation when Republican leaders told Nixon it was over. Here we have ball kickers advancing false claims. This is as low as it gets.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:17 am I'm not going to link anything. It's pretty common knowledge that both sides are sleazy in things that they do and the people that they are.

illy’s back!

Trad - I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have stated before and will continue to state that I am as neutral as they come. Both sides are both immoral in a lot of the things that they do. It's also easy to see that the Dems to more things to help the common person than the Republicans do. But they also have sleazy people who have been in high positions for them. You have guys like Cuomo and Newsome who have placed lockdowns but yet they bend the rules on their own lockdowns for them personally. And the Republicans have arguably the most corrupt politicians that America has seen especially when you look at the 2 most corrupt presidents in the 20th century and beyond being Nixon and Trump, both Republicans.

Politics stink. Always have and always will.

Not only is all of this true, but Trump is also setting Pence up to be MAGA Enemy #1.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:21 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:17 am I'm not going to link anything. It's pretty common knowledge that both sides are sleazy in things that they do and the people that they are.

illy’s back!

I laughed. I'm not as annoying as he is about it because I usually stay away from this bored.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:25 am Trad - I'm not saying one is better than the other. I have stated before and will continue to state that I am as neutral as they come. Both sides are both immoral in a lot of the things that they do. It's also easy to see that the Dems to more things to help the common person than the Republicans do. But they also have sleazy people who have been in high positions for them. You have guys like Cuomo and Newsome who have placed lockdowns but yet they bend the rules on their own lockdowns for them personally. And the Republicans have arguably the most corrupt politicians that America has seen especially when you look at the 2 most corrupt presidents in the 20th century and beyond being Nixon and Trump, both Republicans.

Politics stink. Always have and always will.

i generally agree

but, i also think it’s dishonest to downplay what is currently happening by playing the “both-sides-do-it” card

what some elected republicans are doing now is flat out anti-democracy, and dangerous. giving any credence at all to q-anon conspiracy bs should be beyond our elected officials. instead, we have a president and a non-insignificant portion of both senators and house members fully endorsing such things. it is an attempted power grab under the auspices of protecting democracy and patriotism when it is anything but.

i didn’t expect you to link anything, mostly because there really isn’t anything you can point to that is anywhere close to what some republicans are doing right now

(I typed all this before I saw Trad's response, which is prob better than this one, but here it is anyway)

Newton - glad you laughed.

that's what I intended. I never really mean to antagonize, but humor can be a fine line.

and I agree that politics stink. always have and always will, sure, but I think they could get a lot better. Getting money out of it would go a long way. Make governing of the people, by the people, for the people. It's not good to be so plutocratic.

but to throw out a "both sides" in this context - of a sitting potus actively trying to overturn the results of an election - just seems, I dunno, disingenuous or something. As if it normalizes this behavior, or is tolerable as just politics as usual.

yeah dems stink too, but I think they would at least hold enough pretense of good faith to not advance this bullshit. If Biden lost, I wouldn't expect him to refuse to accept it, or try to bully secretaries of state into "finding" votes and shit, nor would I expect a significant number of dems to go along with it.

and for the record, I think Biden's lame too.

Trump, and his disciples, stand alone as the worst thing in American politics in my lifetime. And it's not close.

There's no comparison.

Before my time, but at least when Nixon got caught being a crook, he had the decency to resign.

We have never ever had a political party or person empowered so much by disinformation media. Republicans know they can claim literally anything and will be supported by their propaganda. And their base doesn’t bother with facts any more because of it. Minutes after the tape was released of the call, their media was up in arms about the release of the tape and not what was on it. Trump released the tape of course. Then claimed he was suing the SOS for taping the call. Crazy begets corruption.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:58 am Trump, and his disciples, stand alone as the worst thing in American politics in my lifetime. And it's not close.

There's no comparison.

Before my time, but at least when Nixon got caught being a crook, he had the decency to resign.

and also of significance - when Nixon got caught being a crook, the rest of the republican party had the decency to say so?

you need look no further than folks like marjorie taylor green when asked why she would contest the presidential result but none of the down-ballot results

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:02 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:58 am Trump, and his disciples, stand alone as the worst thing in American politics in my lifetime. And it's not close.

There's no comparison.

Before my time, but at least when Nixon got caught being a crook, he had the decency to resign.

and also of significance - when Nixon got caught being a crook, the rest of the republican party had the decency to say so?

Right. Apparently there is no rock bottom for Trump. There's no point bad enough where the sychophants finally say "fuck that guy, enough is enough".

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:05 am you need look no further than folks like marjorie taylor green when asked why she would contest the presidential result but none of the down-ballot results

How can she say that with a straight face. It's like, 4 + 4 = 8...except for the president 4 + 4 =9.

They're they same fucking ballots!

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:02 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:58 am Trump, and his disciples, stand alone as the worst thing in American politics in my lifetime. And it's not close.

There's no comparison.

Before my time, but at least when Nixon got caught being a crook, he had the decency to resign.

and also of significance - when Nixon got caught being a crook, the rest of the republican party had the decency to say so?

Just listened to Rachel Maddow’s podcast Bag Man about Spiro Agnew and the circumstances under which he left office. The Republican Party of the early 1970s was just as sleazy as today. It’s just that it was mostly invisible to all but the ones who were really paying attention. The Base was no less delusional. It came out during the research that no less a person than GHWBush, then chairman of the RNC participated in obstruction of justice!

missed the news that the head of the proud boys was arrested in D.C. on monday...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88avmx/ ... ks-on-cops