Kansas Crimson

shindig wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:47 am The 19 age requirement rule is ridiculously stupid. Get rid of it asap. Let high school kids sign with an NBA team, G league team, overseas team or enter college. Once they sign with "any" professional team, they are no longer eligible to play college ball. If they make a bad decision and never get to the NBA...tough, that's life.

shindig wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:47 am The 19 age requirement rule is ridiculously stupid. Get rid of it asap. Let high school kids sign with an NBA team, G league team, overseas team or enter college. Once they sign with "any" professional team, they are no longer eligible to play college ball. If they make a bad decision and never get to the NBA...tough, that's life.

Geezer wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:48 am What it should be????

shindig wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:47 am The 19 age requirement rule is ridiculously stupid. Get rid of it asap. Let high school kids sign with an NBA team, G league team, overseas team or enter college. Once they sign with "any" professional team, they are no longer eligible to play college ball. If they make a bad decision and never get to the NBA...tough, that's life.

Geezer wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:53 am RJ had no interest in college basketball and went off to make money. Makes sense for him.

Geezer wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:48 am What it should be????

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:03 am

Geezer wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:48 am What it should be????

More about collegiate basketball as an experience and a way to get an education, less about money.
This doesn't mean ELIMINATE money - it isn't one way or the other - but shift it further in this direction rather than the other.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:03 am

Geezer wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:48 am What it should be????

More about collegiate basketball as an experience and a way to get an education, less about individuals getting money.
This doesn't mean ELIMINATE money - it isn't one way or the other - but shift it further in this direction rather than the other.

A headline last week that read Devon Dotson was likely to return to Kansas next season confused his family. Nothing Dotson or anyone from his camp had said hinted at such.

The truth is Dotson is squarely on the fence as he weighs whether to stay in the draft or return to Kansas for his sophomore season, his father told The Athletic.

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It obviously does not hurt that Dotson knows he’d be returning to a competitive team, but his father said the KU side of things will not factor into his decision.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:05 am So only white people ( honkeys? ) have interest in an education.
Got it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:14 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:05 am So only white people ( honkeys? ) have interest in an education.
Got it.

I want to tread very carefully here, but: generally speaking, the players positioned to absorb the opportunity cost of playing in college (as opposed to professionally somewhere, anywhere) tend to be of a certain demographic.

It is inarguable that opening up name/image/likeness will result in kids from disadvantaged backgrounds going to school longer.

But apparently that's not what college basketball should be about.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:16 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:14 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:05 am So only white people ( honkeys? ) have interest in an education.
Got it.

I want to tread very carefully here, but: generally speaking, the players positioned to absorb the opportunity cost of playing in college (as opposed to professionally somewhere, anywhere) tend to be of a certain demographic.

It is inarguable that opening up name/image/likeness will result in kids from disadvantaged backgrounds going to school longer.

But apparently that's not what college basketball should be about.

I think it would be in the best interest of our society if what you are speaking to changed and that a value of a free collegiate education was not taken for granted.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:30 am A. Absorbing an opportunity cost should be looked at long term. A kid is going to college. For free. There are no costs to continue to support said kid. Then that kid is better off long term, especially if he applies himself.

There is not a limited period in which one can go to college. There is a limited period in which one can make money playing basketball. It is 100% true that if kids could access more of their value while going to college, there would be a meaningful change in how long kids stay in college.

B. There's still a gap in wealth equality and I get that. I'm not going to debate all of the steps to fix this but I do think one change ( of many ) that needs to be made is investing in the importance of an education amongst all demographics. If you don't end up playing basketball professionally, having experience at a higher learning institution can likely set you up for a better career path than having none. Kids and parents should better understand this. To promote collegiate sports as just another gig to make money as a stopgap to the NBA is the opposite of what I think it should be.

I would tend to think that nothing would promote all the virtues of college better than expanding access to it, particularly among demographics with very low college attendance. Again, getting more value to players will attract them to college ball, and encourage them to stay longer.

C. For the RJ Hamptons of the world, who are probably good enough to play professionally sooner rather than later, and have zero interest in college ( I don't just mean the NCAA/Conference play/NCAA tournament but COLLEGE ) there are professional leagues ( and one of them should be the NBA - the age rule should be dropped ) available.

Is it possible that Hampton would have gone down this road if the money was equal? Sure. But the powers that be in college basketball should realize that a kid who seemed to have no academic issues choosing to play in relative media anonymity is not a good sign. College basketball, as a system, seems intent on squandering its enormous competitive advantages over all non-NBA options when it comes to being the preferred spot for talented high school players to play ball.