14 Straight

[ousdahl]

the two biggest factors contributing to the end of the streak were ineligibility (due to injury or NCAA) and recruits not panning out.

Ineligibility, in no particular order:

Silvio, Dok, Vick, Garrett


recruits not panning out, in slightly particular order:

Grimes, Moore, KJ, Mitch.

Grimes was supposed to be the guy.

KJ and Charlie came in averaging a combined 24/10/6 in the last season they played, and after redshirting a year, combined for a whopping 6/3/1.7.

And Mitch - sure, not much was expected, and he has had some serviceable games down the stretch. But - how often do we not expect much from a Bill Self big man in his junior year? it's not unreasonable to think we could have hoped for more than "was supposed to redshirt."

[CrimsonNBlue]

the two biggest factors contributing to the end of the streak were ineligibility (due to injury or NCAA) and recruits not panning out.

Ineligibility, in no particular order:

Silvio, Dok, Vick, Garrett


recruits not panning out, in slightly particular order:

Grimes, Moore, KJ, Mitch.

Grimes was supposed to be the guy.

KJ and Charlie came in averaging a combined 24/10/6 in the last season they played, and after redshirting a year, combined for a whopping 6/3/1.7.

And Mitch - sure, not much was expected, and he has had some serviceable games down the stretch. But - how often do we not expect much from a Bill Self big man in his junior year? it's not unreasonable to think we could have hoped for more than "was supposed to redshirt."

That's a long way of saying it's been a bad stretch for Bill Self the GM.

But, making the Final Four last year, and really, even finishing 3rd this year and any kind of second weekend run, will say a lot about Bill Self the basketball coach.

[ousdahl]

I suppose.

But how was Bill Self the GM supposed to know a top-7 recruit would be a dud, two double-digit scorers from other schools would go cold as transfers, the NCAA would bring down the hammer for a minor self-reported infraction, AND we'd endure more injuries than any other season...all at once?

though, perhaps Self the GM should be scolded for giving yet another second chance to a senior who maybe never deserved it?

Does Self the GM deserve any credit for Dotson and Agbaji coming in ahead of schedule?

[CrimsonNBlue]

Well all of it falls on him, successes and failures, that's just the nature of being the guy that gets paid $5m a year to put it all together.

This roster is a mess. I think the only truly bad luck thing you can point at is Udoka's injury. Grimes falls on Self. Vick falls on Self. Moore falls on Self. Cunliffe falls on Self. De Sousa falls on Self. Playing 4 frosh and 3 new transfers in the same season falls on Self.

The only other roster that is arguably a bigger mess than this year's is last year's: at one point we had 6 scholarships sitting on the bench in street clothes and brought in a football player. That falls on Self.

[Deleted User 62]

Meh, a year like this was inevitable at some point.

[Deleted User 89]

the two biggest factors contributing to the end of the streak were ineligibility (due to injury or NCAA) and recruits not panning out.

Ineligibility, in no particular order:

Silvio, Dok, Vick, Garrett


recruits not panning out, in slightly particular order:

Grimes, Moore, KJ, Mitch.

Grimes was supposed to be the guy.

KJ and Charlie came in averaging a combined 24/10/6 in the last season they played, and after redshirting a year, combined for a whopping 6/3/1.7.

And Mitch - sure, not much was expected, and he has had some serviceable games down the stretch. But - how often do we not expect much from a Bill Self big man in his junior year? it's not unreasonable to think we could have hoped for more than "was supposed to redshirt."

Mitch has been beyond "serviceable" in his best games this season...you're selling him short

[Deleted User 89]

the two biggest factors contributing to the end of the streak were ineligibility (due to injury or NCAA) and recruits not panning out.

Ineligibility, in no particular order:

Silvio, Dok, Vick, Garrett


recruits not panning out, in slightly particular order:

Grimes, Moore, KJ, Mitch.

Grimes was supposed to be the guy.

KJ and Charlie came in averaging a combined 24/10/6 in the last season they played, and after redshirting a year, combined for a whopping 6/3/1.7.

And Mitch - sure, not much was expected, and he has had some serviceable games down the stretch. But - how often do we not expect much from a Bill Self big man in his junior year? it's not unreasonable to think we could have hoped for more than "was supposed to redshirt."

That's a long way of saying it's been a bad stretch for Bill Self the GM.

But, making the Final Four last year, and really, even finishing 3rd this year and any kind of second weekend run, will say a lot about Bill Self the basketball coach.

that he should be in the Hall of Fame?

oh, wait...

[ousdahl]

the two biggest factors contributing to the end of the streak were ineligibility (due to injury or NCAA) and recruits not panning out.

Ineligibility, in no particular order:

Silvio, Dok, Vick, Garrett


recruits not panning out, in slightly particular order:

Grimes, Moore, KJ, Mitch.

Grimes was supposed to be the guy.

KJ and Charlie came in averaging a combined 24/10/6 in the last season they played, and after redshirting a year, combined for a whopping 6/3/1.7.

And Mitch - sure, not much was expected, and he has had some serviceable games down the stretch. But - how often do we not expect much from a Bill Self big man in his junior year? it's not unreasonable to think we could have hoped for more than "was supposed to redshirt."

Mitch has been beyond "serviceable" in his best games this season...you're selling him short

perhaps.

and in his worst games, he's bobbling rebounds out of bounds, or just accumulating DNP-CDs.

Either way, dude is among the least talented scholarship bigs we've had. On the spectrum, with the TRob/Morri guys being on one end, he's much closer to the Hunter Mickelson end.

but heck, thank the lord for him, especially his play of late. As far as 5th options deep go, he's not bad. It's just rare a team actually has to rely on those kinds of players for big minutes.

[Deleted User 75]

I guess we can call him a 5th option to downplay him...but he was 3rd option heading into the season...and was still ahead of DMac for much of the year.

Only foolishly optimistic people thought that SDS was going to play. Once the fbi stuff broke it was game over for him.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Only foolishly optimistic people thought that SDS was going to play. Once the fbi stuff broke it was game over for him.

I guess that makes Bill Self a fool.

Mitch agreed to a redshirt until the week of the first exhibition.

[jfish26]

Woof.

[jhawks99]

but heck, thank the lord for him, especially his play of late. As far as 5th options deep go, he's not bad. It's just rare a team actually has to rely on those kinds of players for big minutes.

Christian Moody says hi.

[ousdahl]

Moody was a walk-on, at least initially.

[CrimsonNBlue]

Woof.

Well sure, woof, but it's also Spring Break.

[Deleted User 75]

Only foolishly optimistic people thought that SDS was going to play. Once the fbi stuff broke it was game over for him.

I guess that makes Bill Self a fool.

Mitch agreed to a redshirt until the week of the first exhibition.

Self said that to the media?

[CrimsonNBlue]

Only foolishly optimistic people thought that SDS was going to play. Once the fbi stuff broke it was game over for him.

I guess that makes Bill Self a fool.

Mitch agreed to a redshirt until the week of the first exhibition.

Self said that to the media?

Fans and a few media at the annual downtown Marriott luncheon.

[Deleted User 75]

Agreed to redshirt because SDS was eligible or agreed to redshirt IF SDS was declared eligible?

Probably not worth a response so don't worry about it. Self knew good and well SDS was ineligible because Self knew about the payments. Self should have saved some guys time in jail by just admitting he knew this was all happening. Instead he went the other way, which is fine. Not his responsibility to save their asses since his boy Gassnolla already snitched to save his own ass.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I guess the former, but I have no idea what you're trying to say/spin.

Bill expected to have Silvio until right before the first exhibition. Mitch was not our 3rd option going into the season, which is why the RS plan was in place. They only nixed it after KU made the decision to sit Silvio and work out a position to send to the NCAA--which was the week leading up to the first exhibition.

[Deleted User 75]

I wish Self would have just come out and admitted he knew exactly what was going on and that everyone knows this is happening everywhere....then maybe that would have forced the NCAA to change their stupid rules.

Because now 3 guys who aren't criminals are going to jail for defrauding schools...by sending them top talent to make money off of.

Seems backwards as fuck.

[CrimsonNBlue]

I wish Self would have just come out and admitted he knew exactly what was going on and that everyone knows this is happening everywhere....then maybe that would have forced the NCAA to change their stupid rules.

Because now 3 guys who aren't criminals are going to jail for defrauding schools...by sending them top talent to make money off of.

Seems backwards as fuck.

I do agree with this.

Instead Bill said there was absolutely nothing he could do. I didn't like that BS from Bill at all, but let's hope he's playing a longer game, here.