Kansas Crimson

And this gets back to my conundrum from my beginning rant: how can you use the pieces you have to be successful. How can you scheme and coach the players you CURRENTLY have to be competitive. Think outside the box. Try something NEW. Hell, it can't be any worse then what ever the game plan was against WVU. The Miami Dolphins beat the mighty Patriots by lining up Ronnie Brown as the 'QB' and ran three different plays over and over again. Is that sustainable, of course not but at least it shows you are trying. We act like this team is full of JV players who are 5'3 and weigh 140 lbs. We have an ENTIRE offensive line that are juniors and seniors (I think one underclassmen starts), average over 300 lbs and are all over 6'3 tall. That is workable. You know who, on average doesn't have that type of size. Navy, and yet some how they are 3-2. In the last 10 years there worst record was 3-10.

We have SIX guys on the roster classified as QB. Kendrick was clearly not the answer. Even he knew it. You give him one more chance after halftime and if it fails you try someone or something else. Insanity is stupidity and that about sums up KU football for the better part of a decade plus.

This might be the most depressing chart I have ever seen and it would appear, barring any major changes that Kendrick will be the starter on Saturday. The staff believes that Kendrick is a guy that will get better over time. As far as depth goes, MacVittie is still 'nicked' up and they aren't sure about Daniels for this weekend.

If this is true KU might as well pray we get a non lethal COVID out break that someone cancels the season and we have to forfeit.

LOL.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:42 pm And this gets back to my conundrum from my beginning rant: how can you use the pieces you have to be successful. How can you scheme and coach the players you CURRENTLY have to be competitive. Think outside the box. Try something NEW. Hell, it can't be any worse then what ever the game plan was against WVU. The Miami Dolphins beat the mighty Patriots by lining up Ronnie Brown as the 'QB' and ran three different plays over and over again. Is that sustainable, of course not but at least it shows you are trying. We act like this team is full of JV players who are 5'3 and weigh 140 lbs. We have an ENTIRE offensive line that are juniors and seniors (I think one underclassmen starts), average over 300 lbs and are all over 6'3 tall. That is workable. You know who, on average doesn't have that type of size. Navy, and yet some how they are 3-2. In the last 10 years there worst record was 3-10.

We have SIX guys on the roster classified as QB. Kendrick was clearly not the answer. Even he knew it. You give him one more chance after halftime and if it fails you try someone or something else. Insanity is stupidity and that about sums up KU football for the better part of a decade plus.

This.

There are real legit reasons why we're not any good. We're the worst team in the conference, and I understand why.

But....you have to make up some bullshit excuses for the staff for why we're THIS bad.

You can't take this roster and go 10-2, but you should be able to take this roster and look like an FBS program rather than an NAIA team.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:15 pm

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:42 pm And this gets back to my conundrum from my beginning rant: how can you use the pieces you have to be successful. How can you scheme and coach the players you CURRENTLY have to be competitive. Think outside the box. Try something NEW. Hell, it can't be any worse then what ever the game plan was against WVU. The Miami Dolphins beat the mighty Patriots by lining up Ronnie Brown as the 'QB' and ran three different plays over and over again. Is that sustainable, of course not but at least it shows you are trying. We act like this team is full of JV players who are 5'3 and weigh 140 lbs. We have an ENTIRE offensive line that are juniors and seniors (I think one underclassmen starts), average over 300 lbs and are all over 6'3 tall. That is workable. You know who, on average doesn't have that type of size. Navy, and yet some how they are 3-2. In the last 10 years there worst record was 3-10.

We have SIX guys on the roster classified as QB. Kendrick was clearly not the answer. Even he knew it. You give him one more chance after halftime and if it fails you try someone or something else. Insanity is stupidity and that about sums up KU football for the better part of a decade plus.

This.

There are real legit reasons why we're not any good. We're the worst team in the conference, and I understand why.

But....you have to make up some bullshit excuses for the staff for why we're THIS bad.

You can't take this roster and go 10-2, but you should be able to take this roster and look like an FBS program rather than an NAIA team.

Agreed. Although some of the excuses are legit, like Beaty trying to save his ass and recruit all JUCO kids, but the innovativeness of this team is not there. At all.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:21 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:15 pm

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:42 pm And this gets back to my conundrum from my beginning rant: how can you use the pieces you have to be successful. How can you scheme and coach the players you CURRENTLY have to be competitive. Think outside the box. Try something NEW. Hell, it can't be any worse then what ever the game plan was against WVU. The Miami Dolphins beat the mighty Patriots by lining up Ronnie Brown as the 'QB' and ran three different plays over and over again. Is that sustainable, of course not but at least it shows you are trying. We act like this team is full of JV players who are 5'3 and weigh 140 lbs. We have an ENTIRE offensive line that are juniors and seniors (I think one underclassmen starts), average over 300 lbs and are all over 6'3 tall. That is workable. You know who, on average doesn't have that type of size. Navy, and yet some how they are 3-2. In the last 10 years there worst record was 3-10.

We have SIX guys on the roster classified as QB. Kendrick was clearly not the answer. Even he knew it. You give him one more chance after halftime and if it fails you try someone or something else. Insanity is stupidity and that about sums up KU football for the better part of a decade plus.

This.

There are real legit reasons why we're not any good. We're the worst team in the conference, and I understand why.

But....you have to make up some bullshit excuses for the staff for why we're THIS bad.

You can't take this roster and go 10-2, but you should be able to take this roster and look like an FBS program rather than an NAIA team.

Agreed. Although some of the excuses are legit, like Beaty trying to save his ass and recruit all JUCO kids, but the innovativeness of this team is not there. At all.

But, to Holiday's point, THAT excuse doesn't work for the O-Line, which other than QB, has been our worst unit. They're almost all upperlcassmen, and they are DI sized guys ~6'4" 320 lbs. If you have 3 and 4 year players with size and strength, and 2 years now to teach them technique, they should be better than this....sure, there aren't any All Americans in there, but, they should be better than this. And if they're really THIS bad, then, much like the QB position, there's no reason we shouldn't be putting out the underclassmen just to get them more reps.

But, hell, we even have a SR. as a backup according to this:

https://kuathletics.com/kansas-football-depth-chart/

Its clear all of us, well the very few of us left that still care, really freaking care. That is why this is so maddening to us. The offensive inept week after week there is no excuse for that. I'm glad Klatt called out the offensive coaches and I hope they heard it because eventually people aren't going to care about excuses anymore. CFB is a results driven business and you have to win. I'm not advocating for firing anyone, well maybe Meadows but if we see more of the same on Saturday and get boat raced by the Staters the whispers may be come rumblings.
For the dumpster fire that KU football is I can stand losing. What I can't stand is if you show zero ability to adapt to your roster and won't make any attempts to make your team competitive.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:01 pm
But, to Holiday's point, THAT excuse doesn't work for the O-Line, which other than QB, has been our worst unit. They're almost all upperlcassmen, and they are DI sized guys ~6'4" 320 lbs. If you have 3 and 4 year players with size and strength, and 2 years now to teach them technique, they should be better than this....sure, there aren't any All Americans in there, but, they should be better than this. And if they're really THIS bad, then, much like the QB position, there's no reason we shouldn't be putting out the underclassmen just to get them more reps.

But, hell, we even have a SR. as a backup according to this:

https://kuathletics.com/kansas-football-depth-chart/

One thing I am curious about in your post is strength. I agree 2 years to teach them and 2 years and in the weight room. But do we know if these linemen are actually that strong? Maybe that is part of the problem. I am not questioning you. I am just curious if that is part of the reason.

I agree that a lot of offensive talent is getting wasted this year. I don't know how you improve it. I agree with many on here that if you know your offense isn't great (or horrible) don't do hurry up offense. Slow things down and give your defense at least a couple more minutes to rest. Defense played so much better than they had all year and just got worn out. Need to get them a breather and hope they can keep things going.

It sucks that Pooka is gone but Gardner is good. I agree with others on the board. Trying to find some way to have them both on the field and running the ball more would be good for the scoreboard. I think Dearmon could be good if he has equal talent but like many on here I believe if you are truly a talented coach, you need to find a way to do something with what you have. Don't keep trying to do the same plays, utilize what talent you do have.

I was really happy to see the first half. I was sure the defense would get tired in the second half but I didn't have much optimism that the offense was going to help them. I think Daniels could have helped some but we will deal with with some freshman mistakes. But I would take those compared to the lack of offense we did see. I hope he can get back and be healthy to gain more experience for the future.

Strength is one part of it but technique and communication is almost equally, if not more important. Navy is a great example. Those guys aren't that big. They have guards that are 250 but if you are good technique and scheme wise you don't have to be 6'7 365. That's really were coaching comes in.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm Strength is one part of it but technique and communication is almost equally, if not more important. Navy is a great example. Those guys aren't that big. They have guards that are 250 but if you are good technique and scheme wise you don't have to be 6'7 365. That's really were coaching comes in.

Amen

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm Strength is one part of it but technique and communication is almost equally, if not more important. Navy is a great example. Those guys aren't that big. They have guards that are 250 but if you are good technique and scheme wise you don't have to be 6'7 365. That's really were coaching comes in.

I agree, I love Navy football ( was active duty Navy for 4 years) respect what they do each year. Just was bringing up the the question of if we do know that strength isn't an issue. I don't know. I know that our o-line has been a weakness for years. Are we recruiting lazy lineman that don't work on technique/strength? Maybe the guys that are playing are the best we have and the coaches are putting them out there hoping they get better/get tired of getting man handled and man up and work harder.

I don't know, just can't understand how we continue to be so bad on the o-line. I think Miles is able to coach/identify coaches who can. If he couldn't we wouldn't see improvement on the defensive side right?
Maybe I am too much of a homer? Too optimistic?

nu_bronco wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:39 pm

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:10 pm Strength is one part of it but technique and communication is almost equally, if not more important. Navy is a great example. Those guys aren't that big. They have guards that are 250 but if you are good technique and scheme wise you don't have to be 6'7 365. That's really were coaching comes in.

I agree, I love Navy football ( was active duty Navy for 4 years) respect what they do each year. Just was bringing up the the question of if we do know that strength isn't an issue. I don't know. I know that our o-line has been a weakness for years. Are we recruiting lazy lineman that don't work on technique/strength? Maybe the guys that are playing are the best we have and the coaches are putting them out there hoping they get better/get tired of getting man handled and man up and work harder.

I don't know, just can't understand how we continue to be so bad on the o-line. I think Miles is able to coach/identify coaches who can. If he couldn't we wouldn't see improvement on the defensive side right?
Maybe I am too much of a homer? Too optimistic?

But doesn't the coaching staff still bare some if the burden? If they're weak, the S&C coach needs to fix that. If it's technique, the position coaches need to fix that. If it's laziness or bad attitude, that's recruiting....and I know most of our starting o-line are from the last staff....but then that should have been a recruiting priority and we should have better guys, or guys that would push the vets, or we should be getting the youngsters reps and experience....right?

I think everyone has some responsibility. If these are old linemen that are lazy put in the true freshmen and get them game experience. I agree, at this point we all know that we aren't bowling or winning championships. With the free year of eligibility play the freshmen. Get them more experience.

If the coaching staff didn't recognize the lack of talent/strength/effort that is another problem. I know there are only so many roster spots but we don't need wide receivers if the qb has less than a second to pass the ball.

Speaking of lineman another domino has fallen and this is much, much troubling than Coleman. 6’4, 315 four star lineman has reopened his recruiting.

We all knew this class would lose kids especially those who have other P5 offers. The only allure I see right now coming to KU would be immediate playing time at the P5 level but every time KU is on a national stage or a recruit looks up a score and sees KU getting embarrassed this is going to keep happening especially if I have other options with teams are winning or at least have a pulse.
We’ve all said it before this program has every reason for being the dumpster fire it has been but the life blood and our only hope, which is these high schools recruits don’t give two shits about Zenger and Beaty. They are focused on the here, now and most importantly the future and right now for KU it looks the worst it has ever been.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:06 pm Speaking of lineman another domino has fallen and this is much, much troubling than Coleman. 6’4, 315 four star lineman has reopened his recruiting.

We all knew this class would lose kids especially those who have other P5 offers. The only allure I see right now coming to KU would be immediate playing time at the P5 level but every time KU is on a national stage or a recruit looks up a score and sees KU getting embarrassed this is going to keep happening especially if I have other options with teams are winning or at least have a pulse.
We’ve all said it before this program has every reason for being the dumpster fire it has been but the life blood and our only hope, which is these high schools recruits don’t give two shits about Zenger and Beaty. They are focused on the here, now and most importantly the future and right now for KU it looks the worst it has ever been.

If we could find a way to put recruits/commitments in a bubble that can't see how bad our team does would be wonderful. But that also falls on the coaches to tell them they are the piece we are missing. Similar to coaching up technique or strength. We need coaches/staff that is well rounded. They need to recruit, develop technique, develop strength and retain recruits.

I think we need to spend extra time keeping/recruiting linemen (both sides of the ball) and quarterbacks. At least this year and next (or until we get quality at both positions). The big uglies are needed very badly.

Cascadia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:03 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:59 am

Cascadia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:57 am Is Daniels hurt?

For the season.

Damn. I don't really follow the team news. What happened?

All might not be lost now. Daniels is taking reps.

Need Daniels to get all sorts of game reps to finish the year.

Miles commented that all three QBs might get snaps on Saturday. Similar to Coastal Carolina.

Please, anyone but Kendrick. I'm sure he is a good kid. Great leader. Well respected by his teammates but he is single handily holding this offense back both by his play on field and the limitations that come with it.

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:52 pm Miles commented that all three QBs might get snaps on Saturday. Similar to Coastal Carolina.

Please, anyone but Kendrick. I'm sure he is a good kid. Great leader. Well respected by his teammates but he is single handily holding this offense back both by his play on field and the limitations that come with it.

Agreed. I was a big believe in Kendrick. He had a decent 2018 before injury and he wasn't going to play over Stanley last year. But he is truly abysmal.

Stick to Daniels, let him play all his time at KU to get some stability at the position. I can't stress this enough. Unless you get a pretty good grad transfer, Daniels should play every snap until he leaves KU.

I know everyone freaks out a little when Miles says something about the QB situation, but I think we need to look at his actions. Last year, before first game he said we could see multiple QB's and everyone freaked out. Stanley was the guy from the beginning and played nearly every down.

This year, same thing before game one and he did play multiple QB's. That said, it sure looked like it was because he was waiting for the upperclassmen to fail. Losing to CC changed things and the reins were handed over to a 17-year-old. That's not an old stubborn football coach.

I think it's reasonable to think that Daniels will be put back out there if he's physically ready to be.