Kansas Crimson

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:27 pm I love y'all.

But you're just, out of anger with what Hunter represents, somewhat out of touch with reality.

In >32mpg at Kansas, Hunter has better rebounds/40 (13.5) than, in their BEST full-time seasons with Bill...

Wayne * +
Sasha +
DJ * +
Shady +
Marcus +
Withey +
Perry * +
Dedric * +
McCormack +
Jalen *

* HD better steals+blocks/40
+ HD better assists/40

The only bigs I found with better rebounds/40 were Cole (+), Markieff (+), Thomas (+), Joel (+) and Udoka (+).

I didn't bother checking at the obviously-inferior-player level (like Landen, Lightfoot, etc.).

I guess it depends on what glasses you're wearing, but Hunter is, statistically at least, a more effective rebounder than a whole lot of guys who would not be referred to as the "biggest bitch" we've had. If you want to limit the universe to centers only, as a rebounder Hunter is right in the middle over our golden era.

And the fact that none of the five guys with better rebound rates had better assist rates (and look at Hunter's other category leads over the rest of the list) adds color to the notion that Hunter is arguably the most well-rounded elite rebounder we've had.

I get that you hate what he represents, and some of the theatrics. I will say, again, that he brings a lot of this on himself. I'm not saying he's lovable or even likable, or that you'd trust him to water your cactus.

But this bitch is probably the difference between a disappointing 4-seed and missing the tournament altogether, and his numbers and draft non-stock indicate - to me - that he's getting more out of the talent and athleticism he has than most.

And what else is effort?

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:52 pm He's definitely a bitch.

He champions himself every opportunity he gets and sulks when things go badly.

The eyetest says he doesn't even try to move to the ball a lot of the time. Yes, his stats are good on paper, and I don't disagree we might have missed tourney without him (but then we'd have Udeh coming back for next year as an upperclassman, too, right?).

Since day one, he talked about getting his bag. Now, while I hate that as a college basketball fan and don't fault that as humans trying to maximize their earning potential, I'm still a college basketball fan first, so this, above all else, makes him a bitch. You aren't wrong. It's what he represents. If he leads us deep in the tournament, I won't cheer him as an individual. He's less than Pdub's proverbial meh.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:12 pm

Back2Lawrence wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:52 pm He's definitely a bitch.

He champions himself every opportunity he gets and sulks when things go badly.

The eyetest says he doesn't even try to move to the ball a lot of the time. Yes, his stats are good on paper, and I don't disagree we might have missed tourney without him (but then we'd have Udeh coming back for next year as an upperclassman, too, right?).

Since day one, he talked about getting his bag. Now, while I hate that as a college basketball fan and don't fault that as humans trying to maximize their earning potential, I'm still a college basketball fan first, so this, above all else, makes him a bitch. You aren't wrong. It's what he represents. If he leads us deep in the tournament, I won't cheer him as an individual. He's less than Pdub's proverbial meh.

is this your version of a pep talk.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:10 pm And the biggest reason why he'd even think about coming back will be to make more money than he could have somewhere else.

Not to try and redeem this season, get better with the players here and win a title.

He was interviewed after an L the other night and just joked about how bad of a season they've been having saying something along the lines of, "well it must be me."

That should piss you off. Or you should at least take it seriously.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:34 pm All I'm going to say about hunter. I hope he's healthy.

It's time to see what he's all about. It's March madness, shut the haters up. This is the moment he came to Kansas for

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:34 pm All I'm going to say about hunter. I hope he's healthy.

It's time to see what he's all about. It's March madness, shut the haters up. This is the moment he came to Kansas for

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:45 pm
While we're here openly speculating on Hunter's internal motivations for coming back (or not), it's probably worth at least adding to the mix that he said (in the ESPN article) that we were not the highest bidder. I would imagine that what he can make here is around the same range as he what he could make in Europe (which makes sense, when you think about it).

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:55 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:45 pm
While we're here openly speculating on Hunter's internal motivations for coming back (or not), it's probably worth at least adding to the mix that he said (in the ESPN article) that we were not the highest bidder. I would imagine that what he can make here is around the same range as he what he could make in Europe (which makes sense, when you think about it).

Well another big issue here is, I don't trust the guy so it's tough to take whatever he is saying to heart.
I think some of the first things he said before KU's PR team got to him were things he meant.
His candor instantly changed a few days after he arrived here.


And then he got on the court and started being a douche and then more of that has trickled out in bits in interviews and media clips.