Kansas Crimson

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:15 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:57 pm

You are dodging the question. How many complexes are acceptable? At what point does it become a problem in your mind?

I did not bring Aurora up for any purpose, including as an example of my personal opinions about what is and is not "acceptable."

You brought Aurora up, as support for your claim that migration (as you describe it) "is NOT an exaggerated problem."

It is, then, highly inconvenient for you that the Republican mayor of Aurora (who, I cannot believe I need to say this, but: was elected by the people of Aurora less than one year ago!) describes MAGA messaging on Aurora (which you follow) to be "grossly exaggerated."

Not living in Aurora, I have no opinion about whether or not I would find something particular to Aurora "acceptable." That is not because I support "a borderless socialist utopia," but it is because my opinion would be highly dependent on, you know, how life is there. I can express an opinion on how life is in my town (which, like most towns, has pockets of most things), because I know how life is in my town.

But, back to the point: you are having a very hard time suggesting that your views here are NOT an exaggeration, where the (elected, Republican) mayor of one of two cities you offer as examples has said, within the last week, that MAGA concerns are "grossly exaggerated."

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

Sure.

But one man's "unacceptable" doesn't get to make the rules for the other 345,000,000 of us.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:32 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:15 pm

I did not bring Aurora up for any purpose, including as an example of my personal opinions about what is and is not "acceptable."

You brought Aurora up, as support for your claim that migration (as you describe it) "is NOT an exaggerated problem."

It is, then, highly inconvenient for you that the Republican mayor of Aurora (who, I cannot believe I need to say this, but: was elected by the people of Aurora less than one year ago!) describes MAGA messaging on Aurora (which you follow) to be "grossly exaggerated."

Not living in Aurora, I have no opinion about whether or not I would find something particular to Aurora "acceptable." That is not because I support "a borderless socialist utopia," but it is because my opinion would be highly dependent on, you know, how life is there. I can express an opinion on how life is in my town (which, like most towns, has pockets of most things), because I know how life is in my town.

But, back to the point: you are having a very hard time suggesting that your views here are NOT an exaggeration, where the (elected, Republican) mayor of one of two cities you offer as examples has said, within the last week, that MAGA concerns are "grossly exaggerated."

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

Sure.

But one man's "unacceptable" doesn't get to make the rules for the other 345,000,000 of us.

You grossly underestimate.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:28 pm

digitalkookie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:10 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:52 pmSo what you're saying is that there is an acceptable number of apartment complexes in the United States taken over by Venezuelan gangs. What is that number? Two? Four? Six? Have you asked the residents of those complexes how they feel about it?

Literally from the mouth of JD Vance to your fingers.

And?

Oh, I just find it amusing.

"This is an existential threat to our country, our culture, and our way of life."
Sounds like a David Duke quote.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:36 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:32 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

Sure.

But one man's "unacceptable" doesn't get to make the rules for the other 345,000,000 of us.

You grossly underestimate.

I did not say you are alone in thinking you know better about Aurora than Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor.

But I do wonder how many people think the way you think without knowing the facts.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:22 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:36 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:32 pm

Sure.

But one man's "unacceptable" doesn't get to make the rules for the other 345,000,000 of us.

You grossly underestimate.

I did not say you are alone in thinking you know better about Aurora than Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor.

But I do wonder how many people think the way you think without knowing the facts.

And the facts are. . . ? Not what the mayor says, but the actual, factual numbers?

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:28 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:22 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:36 pm

You grossly underestimate.

I did not say you are alone in thinking you know better about Aurora than Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor.

But I do wonder how many people think the way you think without knowing the facts.

And the facts are. . . ? Not what the mayor says, but the actual, factual numbers?

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:15 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:57 pm

You are dodging the question. How many complexes are acceptable? At what point does it become a problem in your mind?

I did not bring Aurora up for any purpose, including as an example of my personal opinions about what is and is not "acceptable."

You brought Aurora up, as support for your claim that migration (as you describe it) "is NOT an exaggerated problem."

It is, then, highly inconvenient for you that the Republican mayor of Aurora (who, I cannot believe I need to say this, but: was elected by the people of Aurora less than one year ago!) describes MAGA messaging on Aurora (which you follow) to be "grossly exaggerated."

Not living in Aurora, I have no opinion about whether or not I would find something particular to Aurora "acceptable." That is not because I support "a borderless socialist utopia," but it is because my opinion would be highly dependent on, you know, how life is there. I can express an opinion on how life is in my town (which, like most towns, has pockets of most things), because I know how life is in my town.

But, back to the point: you are having a very hard time suggesting that your views here are NOT an exaggeration, where the (elected, Republican) mayor of one of two cities you offer as examples has said, within the last week, that MAGA concerns are "grossly exaggerated."

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

I'm in agreement with you that for some people in Aurora it has been "unacceptable". I feel that shouldn't be discounted by anyone.
MY problem is/was when Trump says things such as - "I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered", "overrun", "full-blown invasion," "war zone," etc.
That is indeed "grossly exaggerated".

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:34 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:28 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:22 pm

I did not say you are alone in thinking you know better about Aurora than Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor.

But I do wonder how many people think the way you think without knowing the facts.

And the facts are. . . ? Not what the mayor says, but the actual, factual numbers?

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:52 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:15 pm

I did not bring Aurora up for any purpose, including as an example of my personal opinions about what is and is not "acceptable."

You brought Aurora up, as support for your claim that migration (as you describe it) "is NOT an exaggerated problem."

It is, then, highly inconvenient for you that the Republican mayor of Aurora (who, I cannot believe I need to say this, but: was elected by the people of Aurora less than one year ago!) describes MAGA messaging on Aurora (which you follow) to be "grossly exaggerated."

Not living in Aurora, I have no opinion about whether or not I would find something particular to Aurora "acceptable." That is not because I support "a borderless socialist utopia," but it is because my opinion would be highly dependent on, you know, how life is there. I can express an opinion on how life is in my town (which, like most towns, has pockets of most things), because I know how life is in my town.

But, back to the point: you are having a very hard time suggesting that your views here are NOT an exaggeration, where the (elected, Republican) mayor of one of two cities you offer as examples has said, within the last week, that MAGA concerns are "grossly exaggerated."

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

I'm in agreement with you that for some people in Aurora it has been "unacceptable". I feel that shouldn't be discounted by anyone.
MY problem is/was when Trump says things such as - "I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered", "overrun", "full-blown invasion," "war zone," etc.
That is indeed "grossly exaggerated".

See my response to JFish below. We have been lulled into lowering our standard of what is acceptable in this country. I applaud President Trump for challenging us to demand more.

We have been lulled into lowering our standard of what is acceptable in this country.

absolutely

see: donald j. trump for all the example you need

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:52 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:15 pm

I did not bring Aurora up for any purpose, including as an example of my personal opinions about what is and is not "acceptable."

You brought Aurora up, as support for your claim that migration (as you describe it) "is NOT an exaggerated problem."

It is, then, highly inconvenient for you that the Republican mayor of Aurora (who, I cannot believe I need to say this, but: was elected by the people of Aurora less than one year ago!) describes MAGA messaging on Aurora (which you follow) to be "grossly exaggerated."

Not living in Aurora, I have no opinion about whether or not I would find something particular to Aurora "acceptable." That is not because I support "a borderless socialist utopia," but it is because my opinion would be highly dependent on, you know, how life is there. I can express an opinion on how life is in my town (which, like most towns, has pockets of most things), because I know how life is in my town.

But, back to the point: you are having a very hard time suggesting that your views here are NOT an exaggeration, where the (elected, Republican) mayor of one of two cities you offer as examples has said, within the last week, that MAGA concerns are "grossly exaggerated."

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

I'm in agreement with you that for some people in Aurora it has been "unacceptable". I feel that shouldn't be discounted by anyone.
MY problem is/was when Trump says things such as - "I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered", "overrun", "full-blown invasion," "war zone," etc.
That is indeed "grossly exaggerated".

What the Springfield, OH and Aurora, CO cases have taught us is that some people feel that the existence of brown people within their community is "unacceptable" and will say anything if they feel that it will get those brown people removed.

white people trying kick brown people out of a country they stole from red (and brown) people

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:50 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:52 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 1:26 pm

He says "grossly exaggerated," but is careful NOT to say "nonexistent." I would argue that one man's "grossly exaggerated" is another's "unacceptable."

I'm in agreement with you that for some people in Aurora it has been "unacceptable". I feel that shouldn't be discounted by anyone.
MY problem is/was when Trump says things such as - "I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered", "overrun", "full-blown invasion," "war zone," etc.
That is indeed "grossly exaggerated".

What the Springfield, OH and Aurora, CO cases have taught us is that some people feel that the existence of brown people within their community is "unacceptable" and will say anything if they feel that it will get those brown people removed.

Spoken like a brainwashed dupe.

twocoach - yes.
Trad - yes.

Despite my agreeing with both of your posts/statements, I am going to share my mixed feelings and unpopular opinion/s.
I am absolutely in favor of people coming to this country for a better life. I am absolutely against those people coming to our country and committing crimes.
I feel the left minimizes the issue/s and the right maximizes the issue/s. I try to be somewhat in the middle but.... Realize, I am someone who has had negative interactions and have witnessed criminal acts from the "illegals". Sorry guys, it is inexcusable, indefensible, and unacceptable, to me.
Now that being said, I am NOT in favor of kicking out all "the brown people" nor do I think even 10% of "the brown people" in my neighborhood are committing crimes, but the hard truth and reality is - some are, and my neighborhood is less safe because of it.
I am 100% in favor of us (the United States) improving our immigration policies and the way we deal with immigrants. The "good ones" and the "bad ones". It's a very complex situation. It's complete bullshit to me to have the "good ones" who want to become legal productive members of society, and go through the proper process/es, and their having to wait so long to become "legal". It's also complete bullshit to me that the "bad ones" are given a place to live (such as a former nice hotel in my neighborhood while the average resident is paying close to $3000 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment), have their food paid for (not just "simple staples" - but food that the average American struggles to pay for to feed their families), having "amenities" and things that are NOT necessities given to them, all while they are allowed to roam around doing nothing much more than being up to no good.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:25 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:34 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:28 pm

And the facts are. . . ? Not what the mayor says, but the actual, factual numbers?

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

While we are at it, let's blame Biden for BDG members taking over and controlling Cabrini Greens in the 80s.

Overlander wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:46 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:25 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 2:34 pm

The fact is that MAGA is saying Aurora is overrun, and Aurora’s (elected, Republican) mayor is saying that is a “gross exaggeration.”

It is a sign of the death and zombification of the GOP that “home rule” is no longer something to be given deference.

MAGA doesn’t want a small federal government. It wants a gigantic, sprawling, scary, unaccountable, powerful federal government - as long as the objects of its terror campaign are those that MAGA wants terrorized.

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

While we are at it, let's blame Biden for BDG members taking over and controlling Cabrini Greens in the 80s.

Speaking of which.......
I listened to, met with, spoke with, Ben Austen, who wrote an outstanding book called High Risers.
I highly recommend it to people who are interested in the topic.

https://chicagoreader.com/arts-culture/ ... ini-green/

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:45 pm
Now that being said, I am NOT in favor of kicking out all "the brown people" nor do I think even 10% of "the brown people" in my neighborhood are committing crimes, but the hard truth and reality is - some are, and my neighborhood is less safe because of it.
I am 100% in favor of us (the United States) improving our immigration policies and the way we deal with immigrants. The "good ones" and the "bad ones". It's a very complex situation. It's complete bullshit to me to have the "good ones" who want to become legal productive members of society, and go through the proper process/es, and their having to wait so long to become "legal". It's also complete bullshit to me that the "bad ones" are given a place to live (such as a former nice hotel in my neighborhood while the average resident is paying close to $3000 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment), have their food paid for (not simple staples - but I have seen the food - that the average American struggles to pay for to feed their families), having "amenities" and things that are NOT necessities given to them, all while they are allowed to roam around doing nothing much more than being up to no good.

I ask this with respect for you Gutter, I hope it is received as so.

I do not doubt your first hand accounts of crimes that you (or anyone else that lives in a high population/high traffic area) witness daily. Would your opinion be that what you witness first hand is verifiable as "illegal migrants" committing these crimes in a higher number than non-illegal migrants...or other races etc?

In my day to day, I interact with a large amount of people who don't speak english as their normal communication (russian, portugese, etc). If I witnessed them commit a crime, how would I know whether they were here legally or illegally? Is there an assumption of their status attained by the act itself?

In my opinion, not enough attention is being given to how many of these community crimes that are being committed by people with serious mental health issues, regardless of race or status. Funding for mental health was greatly diminished during the Bush years, resulting in many of the folks who could have sought out treatment to try to live in a social society that doesn't want them. They cannot get jobs, obtain housing or in many cases survive strictly through primal means. It is a self fulfilling prophecy that many in the quest for elected status have greatly manipulated.

As for the "food" thing, you have usually proven to be a guy that looks into his comments, sometimes after making them. Do you have first hand accounting of where this food is coming from, who provided it, how it was paid for? I am truly just curious.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:52 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:46 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:25 pm

And I would argue that even one complex controlled by Venezuelan gangs qualifies as "overrun." It is unacceptable and reflects directly back on Border Czar Giggles and her mismanagement of the border.

While we are at it, let's blame Biden for BDG members taking over and controlling Cabrini Greens in the 80s.

Speaking of which.......
I listened to, met with, spoke with, Ben Austen, who wrote an outstanding book called High Risers.
I highly recommend it to people who are interested in the topic.

https://chicagoreader.com/arts-culture/ ... ini-green/

I made dozens of trips into Cabrini to extract people who both new we were coming and did not want to be removed. It was practically a war zone.

I always felt bad for the average folks trying to live a normal life under those circumstances.

This all academic. Trump is incapable of leading a pep squad. JD Vance is just another smarmy puppet for Thiel. They have no intention of fixing anything but their own finances. Again. Republican policy is no policy. Break stuff. Blame dems. They do not govern. No sense pretending that they do until the party returns to some semblence of intelligence. MTG and China Bibles.