Shirley wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:19 am
I wish he were wrong.
September 3, 2023-The question of whether or not Trump is eligible to run for President is not so relevant. He is running and the Supreme Court will say that.
The history of racism in the US is fertile ground for fascism. Attacks on the courts, education, the right to vote and women’s rights are further steps on the path to toppling democracy
“Let us be reminded that before there is a final solution, there must be a first solution, a second one, even a third. The move toward a final solution is not a jump. It takes one step, then another, then another.”
So began Toni Morrison’s 1995 address to Howard University, entitled Racism and Fascism, which delineated 10 step-by-step procedures to carry a society from first to last.
Morrison’s interest was not in fascist demagogues or fascist regimes. It was rather in “forces interested in fascist solutions to national problems”. The procedures she described were methods to normalize such solutions, to “construct an internal enemy”, isolate, demonize and criminalize it and sympathizers to its ideology and their allies, and, using the media, provide the illusion of power and influence to one’s supporters.
Morrison saw, in the history of US racism, fascist practices – ones that could enable a fascist social and political movement in the United States.
Writing in the era of the “super-predator” myth (a Newsweek headline the next year read, “Superpredators: Should we cage the new breed of vicious kids?”), Morrison unflinchingly read fascism into the practices of US racism. Twenty-five years later, those “forces interested in fascist solutions to national problems” are closer than ever to winning a multi-decade national fight.
The contemporary American fascist movement is led by oligarchical interests for whom the public good is an impediment, such as those in the hydrocarbon business, as well as a social, political, and religious movement with roots in the Confederacy. As in all fascist movements, these forces have found a popular leader unconstrained by the rules of democracy, this time in the figure of Donald Trump.
[...]
Imagine being cognizant of all this on some…I guess, domestic? level; yet continuing to insist, with practically religious conviction, that this exact same nation’s warmongering is some universal symbol of freedom and democracy, and unilaterally good, on an international level.
Good post ous.
Internationally, america is not the good guys like they try to convince American citizens they are
Internationally, the Fed is greedy and power hungry. Locally too
Now apply that to the Ukraine situation
Can you - just one time, maybe for my birthday - send us a picture of the pinboard in your garage? You know, the one that connects the Federal Reserve to Russia’s war on Ukraine.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:09 am
by Sparko
It shows how pernicious Russian info ops have become. They have overwhelmed a lot of erstwhile anti-communist voices. Russia is even doxxing court representatives in Trump trials on their Parler app (Russia hosts the app). You get strange far left (Ous) and right (Randy) bedfellows undermining American foreign policy and national interests. In an animated and completely manipulated way.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:14 am
by ousdahl
I think the only reason the far left and far right are perceivably strange bedfellows here is, it’s only the fringe ends of the bell curve willing to even consider anything but the prescribed narrative here.
ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:40 am
You sure?
Like none of these things could possibly be related?
I think you just proved my point?
Merica domestically: Fascism!
Merica internationally: freedom and democracy!
I just think you’re starting from the wrong place, and it’s infecting the rest of everything you have to say on this subject.
I do not think it’s remotely close to true to describe what we’re doing vis a vis Ukraine as warmongering. Nor is it adventurism, nor neocolonialism, nor resource-grabbing.
This is a category error.
Russia’s war on Ukraine - and that’s what it is - has much less in common with anything that happened after WW2 than it does to what happened before it.
This isn’t the first time you insist there is no resource-grabbing or neocolonialism to do with Ukraine.
If that’s the case, then why do the Halliburton types have an interest there?
And if it’s not adventurism either, then what have we been doing parading the Bidens and McCains and such around there for pep rallies, very likely more, since at least 2014?
And at least in that post, I didn’t mention Ukraine….as much of a resource drain as Ukraine is and has been, just realize Ukraine is only a very small fraction of our overall militancy on the world stage.
Shirley wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:19 am
I wish he were wrong.
September 3, 2023-The question of whether or not Trump is eligible to run for President is not so relevant. He is running and the Supreme Court will say that.
The history of racism in the US is fertile ground for fascism. Attacks on the courts, education, the right to vote and women’s rights are further steps on the path to toppling democracy
“Let us be reminded that before there is a final solution, there must be a first solution, a second one, even a third. The move toward a final solution is not a jump. It takes one step, then another, then another.”
So began Toni Morrison’s 1995 address to Howard University, entitled Racism and Fascism, which delineated 10 step-by-step procedures to carry a society from first to last.
Morrison’s interest was not in fascist demagogues or fascist regimes. It was rather in “forces interested in fascist solutions to national problems”. The procedures she described were methods to normalize such solutions, to “construct an internal enemy”, isolate, demonize and criminalize it and sympathizers to its ideology and their allies, and, using the media, provide the illusion of power and influence to one’s supporters.
Morrison saw, in the history of US racism, fascist practices – ones that could enable a fascist social and political movement in the United States.
Writing in the era of the “super-predator” myth (a Newsweek headline the next year read, “Superpredators: Should we cage the new breed of vicious kids?”), Morrison unflinchingly read fascism into the practices of US racism. Twenty-five years later, those “forces interested in fascist solutions to national problems” are closer than ever to winning a multi-decade national fight.
The contemporary American fascist movement is led by oligarchical interests for whom the public good is an impediment, such as those in the hydrocarbon business, as well as a social, political, and religious movement with roots in the Confederacy. As in all fascist movements, these forces have found a popular leader unconstrained by the rules of democracy, this time in the figure of Donald Trump.
[...]
Imagine being cognizant of all this on some…I guess, domestic? level; yet continuing to insist, with practically religious conviction, that this exact same nation’s warmongering is some universal symbol of freedom and democracy, and unilaterally good, on an international level.
Good post ous.
Internationally, america is not the good guys like they try to convince American citizens they are
Internationally, the Fed is greedy and power hungry. Locally too
Now apply that to the Ukraine situation
Wait, aren’t you the guy who thinks white supremacy is NOT among the biggest threats the nation, and world, still faces to this day?
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:19 am
by Sparko
In the case of Ukraine, Russia wanted to grab back their high tech industries, natural gas and agriculture. You should probably just let it go Ous. Not a good look
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:25 am
by randylahey
Correct. White supremacy is not the biggest threat. Totalitarian/authoritaroan control is. Government supremecy is the biggest threat to liberty
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:27 am
by randylahey
Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:19 am
In the case of Ukraine, Russia wanted to grab back their high tech industries, natural gas and agriculture. You should probably just let it go Ous. Not a good look
Russia also doesn't want a US proxy nation right next door. With US funding, US political dabblings/agendas, US biolabs, and allegedly US nuclear technology
Can you blame in? Every other country we surround with military bases hates it too
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:30 am
by randylahey
Globalist suppremecy by a small group of unrealistically wealthy people is the world's biggest threat. Maybe I should put it that way
But they are the ones that fund/buy politicians/governments
ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:40 am
You sure?
Like none of these things could possibly be related?
I think you just proved my point?
Merica domestically: Fascism!
Merica internationally: freedom and democracy!
I just think you’re starting from the wrong place, and it’s infecting the rest of everything you have to say on this subject.
I do not think it’s remotely close to true to describe what we’re doing vis a vis Ukraine as warmongering. Nor is it adventurism, nor neocolonialism, nor resource-grabbing.
This is a category error.
Russia’s war on Ukraine - and that’s what it is - has much less in common with anything that happened after WW2 than it does to what happened before it.
This isn’t the first time you insist there is no resource-grabbing or neocolonialism to do with Ukraine.
If that’s the case, then why do the Halliburton types have an interest there?
And if it’s not adventurism either, then what have we been doing parading the Bidens and McCains and such around there for pep rallies, very likely more, since at least 2014?
And at least in that post, I didn’t mention Ukraine….as much of a resource drain as Ukraine is and has been, just realize Ukraine is only a very small fraction of our overall militancy on the world stage.
You're starting with a conclusion and working backwards, even though the conclusion relies on bad inputs.
You're also relying on Randy-esque, "prove this negative or else I'm RIGHT" gotchas.
It just feels like, for reasons I can't figure out, it's very important to you to be a peacenik on this issue. It feels like you think that our prior missteps or misadventures somehow mean we're blocked from doing the right thing in this situation.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:48 am
by jfish26
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:25 am
Correct. White supremacy is not the biggest threat. Totalitarian/authoritaroan control is. Government supremecy is the biggest threat to liberty
I'm not the spelling police, but it's fitting that you ALSO can't spell things you do not understand substantively.
It's like watching a puppy shit all over itself inside the house; not only did the puppy mess up the primary direction, it covered itself in shit along the way.
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:53 am
by randylahey
Listen ous.. lol in response to your "randy-esque" comment
All I truly do is offer differing viewpoints than my liberal friends. They are so convinced their world view is the only way to look at things and that's horse shit.
I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities. Some of you can handle it, and some cry
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:25 am
Correct. White supremacy is not the biggest threat. Totalitarian/authoritaroan control is. Government supremecy is the biggest threat to liberty
I'm not the spelling police, but it's fitting that you ALSO can't spell things you do not understand substantively.
It's like watching a puppy shit all over itself inside the house; not only did the puppy mess up the primary direction, it covered itself in shit along the way.
It's called I typo. I do not give a shit.
You know what they say about an internet troll that calls out your typo? They have no real argument or thought, just want to bicker
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:25 am
Correct. White supremacy is not the biggest threat. Totalitarian/authoritaroan control is. Government supremecy is the biggest threat to liberty
I'm not the spelling police, but it's fitting that you ALSO can't spell things you do not understand substantively.
It's like watching a puppy shit all over itself inside the house; not only did the puppy mess up the primary direction, it covered itself in shit along the way.
It's called I typo. I do not give a shit.
You know what they say about an internet troll that calls out your typo? They have no real argument or thought, just want to bicker
Believe me, people have been giving your typos a pass. That's not important. But it just makes sense that you have trouble spelling things you ALSO do not understand, substantively.
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:25 am
Correct. White supremacy is not the biggest threat. Totalitarian/authoritaroan control is. Government supremecy is the biggest threat to liberty
I'm not the spelling police, but it's fitting that you ALSO can't spell things you do not understand substantively.
It's like watching a puppy shit all over itself inside the house; not only did the puppy mess up the primary direction, it covered itself in shit along the way.
And if that is the best analogy your little brain could muster, maybe you should just focus on the spelling police tactic
I'm not the spelling police, but it's fitting that you ALSO can't spell things you do not understand substantively.
It's like watching a puppy shit all over itself inside the house; not only did the puppy mess up the primary direction, it covered itself in shit along the way.
It's called I typo. I do not give a shit.
You know what they say about an internet troll that calls out your typo? They have no real argument or thought, just want to bicker
Believe me, people have been giving your typos a pass. That's not important. But it just makes sense that you have trouble spelling things you ALSO do not understand, substantively.
Or maybe I'm just quickly typing on a phone screen as I go about my day unbothered. Move along
Re: 2024
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:13 am
by twocoach
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:53 am
Listen ous.. lol in response to your "randy-esque" comment
All I truly do is offer differing viewpoints than my liberal friends. They are so convinced their world view is the only way to look at things and that's horse shit.
I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities. Some of you can handle it, and some cry
I fully support other world views so long as they aren't based on the lies and unsubstantiated bullshit that you spew all over this place.
"I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities." is just your mental justification for "I like to troll because I think it's funny to be a dick".
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:53 am
Listen ous.. lol in response to your "randy-esque" comment
All I truly do is offer differing viewpoints than my liberal friends. They are so convinced their world view is the only way to look at things and that's horse shit.
I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities. Some of you can handle it, and some cry
I fully support other world views so long as they aren't based on the lies and unsubstantiated bullshit that you spew all over this place.
"I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities." is just your mental justification for "I like to troll because I think it's funny to be a dick".
A lot of liberal world views are based on lies and propaganda. Same as conservative. Quite the conundrum
randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:53 am
Listen ous.. lol in response to your "randy-esque" comment
All I truly do is offer differing viewpoints than my liberal friends. They are so convinced their world view is the only way to look at things and that's horse shit.
I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities. Some of you can handle it, and some cry
I fully support other world views so long as they aren't based on the lies and unsubstantiated bullshit that you spew all over this place.
"I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities." is just your mental justification for "I like to troll because I think it's funny to be a dick".
A lot of liberal world views are based on lies and propaganda. Same as conservative. Quite the conundrum
You always say these general things but you rarely ever point out specific examples of them when you see them. We, however, regularly provide you with direct evidence of your bullshit on a near daily basis. It's really not a conundrum at all.
I fully support other world views so long as they aren't based on the lies and unsubstantiated bullshit that you spew all over this place.
"I don't even necessarily believe all the things I repost. I just challenge you all to consider other possibilities." is just your mental justification for "I like to troll because I think it's funny to be a dick".
A lot of liberal world views are based on lies and propaganda. Same as conservative. Quite the conundrum
You always say these general things but you rarely ever point out specific examples of them when you see them. We, however, regularly provide you with direct evidence of your bullshit on a near daily basis. It's really not a conundrum at all.
When you're a hammer, everything's a nail.
When you're in a cult of conspiracism, everything's a sign.
Randy and his ilk truly do live in a different mental and emotional world. Like they're beyond the event horizon of a black hole - all they can perceive is what's been sucked into and distorted by a force they can neither fully see nor even partially understand.