Kansas Crimson

https://sltrib.com/news/2020/10/11/coro ... -utah-new/

lol...the look on the faces of our state’s top infectious disease experts say it all

not unlike the face of Dr. Fauci during a trump presser

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:43 am https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/19-can ... lab-study/

Need to read this paper. I know the older studies they mentioned used significantly higher titers of virus than what a person would generate through coughing/sneezing/talking...so if this is at the level of peak infection, I wonder how it lasts longer.

I'd also be interested in knowing how they tested for virus, if it's PCR based, that's just telling you the nucleotides haven't degraded yet, not necessarily that you have virions capable of infection.

Though, I never liked the way fomite-transmission was downplayed so much. I think it's likely not the most common route of transmission, but I don't think it should be ignored.

Told someone yesterday that if he believed God would protect him from the virus he is nuts.
He had a nice comeback. He asked me if I can prove God hasn't and won't continue to protect him (and others) from the virus.
I responded, No. I can NOT prove that God hasn't protected them from the virus.
Then I asked him if he can "prove" to me that God actually exists.
Guess what? He didn't respond.

If people truly believe God can protect them from the virus then why do they do anything precautionary in their lives? Why bother? Why wouldn't God protect them from EVERYTHING? Why just the virus?

“It’s cool babe, God will protect us in ways that condoms won’t...”

Serious question for any attorneys on here.
About an hour ago I heard on a police scanner that there was an adult, couldn't tell if she said Asian or Caucasian (I think she said Asian), male, wearing a gray sweater and black jeans, who is/was yelling at and coughing on people and not wearing a mask - at Flat Top Grill on South Wabash.
If I was there and decided to haul off on the guy and I hurt him, would I be in legal trouble for doing as such?
My guess is I would have to be able to claim and somehow prove it was self-defense.

Oh!

So there was a new outbreak at a city in China.

The city responded by testing all its residents. All 9 million.

Could Merica do that, even if a larger scale yet? Would that not go a long long way toward turning the corner?

Even if we could agree on who would pay for it and manufacture it and other logistics, would we even go for it? Or would the argument shift to some critical mass refusing to get tested, because mah rights?

No. And I don't think china can either.

Obviously we have don a shitty job testing and should be doing WAYYYY better. But that's fairy tale bullshit.

And yes, tons would fight it because of privacy and freedoms.

Dang.

If I was in charge, I would call for every single American to be issued a dozen easy self serve tests to administer over the course of a month or so.

Even if half of Mericans refused, we’d still be twice as far along as otherwise.

If every citizen could apply for a in-home test kit that would be mailed to them, that’d be ideal.

If every citizen was mailed an in-home test kit and had to mail or upload the results under threat of punishment, that’d be shitty.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:16 am If every citizen could apply for a in-home test kit that would be mailed to them, that’d be ideal.

If every citizen was mailed an in-home test kit and had to mail or upload the results under threat of punishment, that’d be shitty.

Agreed.

Sweden rethinking their approach amid rising cases.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden- ... rs-2020-10

A person from my city has now tested positive for the 2nd time allegedly. 1st was about 5 or 6 months ago. 2nd time this weekend. Strange. My guess is 2 different strains or the 1st was a false positive? If you can get it more than 1 time then it is a game changer.

it’s been known for some time that reinfection is a thing

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:32 am it’s been known for some time that reinfection is a thing

I was finding mixed opinions on that...

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:24 am A person from my city has now tested positive for the 2nd time allegedly. 1st was about 5 or 6 months ago. 2nd time this weekend. Strange. My guess is 2 different strains or the 1st was a false positive? If you can get it more than 1 time then it is a game changer.

My concern with how long this has been allowed to continue is that the antibodies in those that were the early cases are diminishing enough that they'll be infectable again and their belief that they are less likely to get it will lead them to be less cautious.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:08 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:32 am it’s been known for some time that reinfection is a thing

I was finding mixed opinions on that...

Hong Kong confirmed a patient getting it a second time back in late August. Was talked about in the medical community back into July.

from September 4

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02506-y

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:08 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:32 am it’s been known for some time that reinfection is a thing

I was finding mixed opinions on that...

It is wild how mainstream "[science/fact] is a matter of opinion" has become.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:30 am

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:08 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:32 am it’s been known for some time that reinfection is a thing

I was finding mixed opinions on that...

It is wild how mainstream "[science/fact] is a matter of opinion" has become.

not saying you are guilty of this, but many mistake variations in evidence as mixed opinions or a lack of scientific consensus

it’s important for everyone to remember that we are still learning about covid, and that as more data become available, we gain a deeper understanding of the situation

science, very rarely, operates in absolutes...some (looking at psych) view this as a weakness