Kansas Crimson

When the requirement to being a GOP politician is that you bend the knee and support Donald Trump then people shouldn't be surprised that so many turn out to be scum bags because scum bags support other scum bags. They didnt "Drain the Swamp." They turned the swamp into a toxic waste dump.

The idea that your life of crime might be pardoned away or overlooked is intoxicating to people otherwise fearful of retribution.

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 12:19 pm The idea that your life of crime might be pardoned away or overlooked is intoxicating to people otherwise fearful of retribution.

And that is because these people genuinely believe that the law should NOT apply to them in the way it does to others.

dolomite wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:29 am Trump’s lips moving indicating that he is lying. So my advice is to just ignore him and not get “bent out shape” by whatever he says.

perhaps the distress isn’t that he continues to say “things”, but rather IN SPITE of what comes out of his mouth (and the mouths of all those he heaps praise on), he still maintains the level of support he does

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 12:49 pm

dolomite wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:29 am Trump’s lips moving indicating that he is lying. So my advice is to just ignore him and not get “bent out shape” by whatever he says.

perhaps the distress isn’t that he continues to say “things”, but rather IN SPITE of what comes out of his mouth (and the mouths of all those he heaps praise on), he still maintains the level of support he does

Right. The distress is no longer over the lies themselves. It's over the lies being the open and acknowledged PLAN - on this, there can be be no disagreement where you have the VP candidate going on TV and saying as much. And then, eliminating any wiggle room around "misinterpretation" or whatnot, going back on TV a few days later to say that (as an example) he'll call something legal "illegal" if he wants.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:29 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:20 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:15 am The sheer volume of things, just in the last 24 hours, leaves me with really only one thought:

And yet.

when the zone is already flooded with shit (intentionally and otherwise)…

Which, speaking of, any sentient R should dump the SHIT out of any damaging information, today.

For, ah, further example.

just following the lead of the former FLOTUS

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:24 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:24 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:02 am Nobody ever voted for kamala to be next in line. Not sure why dems are in denial and trying to spin the narrative this way. They voted for biden, and he appointed her as his vice (despite the fact she called him racist at one of the debates). This does not mean voters wanted her there. Review the results of the 2020 democratic primary. Kamala had almost zero support from within her own party of democrat voters. She's always been a horribly unpopular candidate on the federal level, with extremist views and policy proposals

But enough people have been brainwashed to hate trump that they suddenly are pretending to like kamala, despite not knowing anything about her policy ideas.

Sorry but your opinions on this do not accurately represent my current situation. You're making a lot of uninformed assumptions.

Part of my consideration of who to vote for in the 2020 general election was who was the VP on the ticket. Given the timing of when Biden chose to drop out, I felt that Harris was the right choice to be elevated to the top of the ticket.

She has been good at providing info to us about her policy ideas and I feel comfortable with far more of them than I do the policies that have been discussed by Trump and by information shared about Project 2025. And let me get ahead of your impending rant... yes, I know what habitual liar Trump has said about his knowledge of Project 2025. It seems to magically be the only thing that he doesn't know everything about. How convenient for him.

Project 2025 is just a fear mongering propaganda piece and isn't trumps

Well, about that. It doesn’t really matter if it belongs to Trump, or if he belongs to it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:12 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:24 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:24 am

Sorry but your opinions on this do not accurately represent my current situation. You're making a lot of uninformed assumptions.

Part of my consideration of who to vote for in the 2020 general election was who was the VP on the ticket. Given the timing of when Biden chose to drop out, I felt that Harris was the right choice to be elevated to the top of the ticket.

She has been good at providing info to us about her policy ideas and I feel comfortable with far more of them than I do the policies that have been discussed by Trump and by information shared about Project 2025. And let me get ahead of your impending rant... yes, I know what habitual liar Trump has said about his knowledge of Project 2025. It seems to magically be the only thing that he doesn't know everything about. How convenient for him.

Project 2025 is just a fear mongering propaganda piece and isn't trumps

Well, about that. It doesn’t really matter if it belongs to Trump, or if he belongs to it.

No kidding. How many more times do we need to see Trump and Vance echo Project 2025 talking points in their platform? How many more times do we need to see Trump giving speeches to the Heritage Foundation supporting Project 2025 talking points? These aren't random people speaking. This isn't being spun by MSM. These are videos of the actual candidates and their team speaking directly. The only way you can say it is propaganda is if you just chose to suspend or ignore reality.

The fact that Trump says he knows nothing about it is irrelevant. He says he knows more than everyone on every topic except when it is bad for him to know it and then he knows nothing about it. "I don't know anything about Project 2025" is as believable as "I don't know that woman who is accusing me of sexual assault". There are simply too many identical platform items for it to be "just a fear mongering propaganda piece". We all know he is lying; I suspect you know it as well.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:50 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:12 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 12:24 pm

Project 2025 is just a fear mongering propaganda piece and isn't trumps

Well, about that. It doesn’t really matter if it belongs to Trump, or if he belongs to it.

No kidding. How many more times do we need to see Trump and Vance echo Project 2025 talking points in their platform? How many more times do we need to see Trump giving speeches to the Heritage Foundation supporting Project 2025 talking points? These aren't random people speaking. This isn't being spun by MSM. These are videos of the actual candidates and their team speaking directly. The only way you can say it is propaganda is if you just chose to suspend or ignore reality.

The fact that Trump says he knows nothing about it is irrelevant. He says he knows more than everyone on every topic except when it is bad for him to know it and then he knows nothing about it. "I don't know anything about Project 2025" is as believable as "I don't know that woman who is accusing me of sexual assault". There are simply too many identical platform items for it to be "just a fear mongering propaganda piece". We all know he is lying; I suspect you know it as well.

My only disagreement is with, "The fact that Trump says he knows nothing about it is irrelevant."

Frankly, the fact that Trump - a person who claims to know everything about everything, the best facts, the biggest brain - says he knows nothing about something damaging to him is overwhelming evidence that he knows all about it.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:00 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:50 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:12 am

Well, about that. It doesn’t really matter if it belongs to Trump, or if he belongs to it.

No kidding. How many more times do we need to see Trump and Vance echo Project 2025 talking points in their platform? How many more times do we need to see Trump giving speeches to the Heritage Foundation supporting Project 2025 talking points? These aren't random people speaking. This isn't being spun by MSM. These are videos of the actual candidates and their team speaking directly. The only way you can say it is propaganda is if you just chose to suspend or ignore reality.

The fact that Trump says he knows nothing about it is irrelevant. He says he knows more than everyone on every topic except when it is bad for him to know it and then he knows nothing about it. "I don't know anything about Project 2025" is as believable as "I don't know that woman who is accusing me of sexual assault". There are simply too many identical platform items for it to be "just a fear mongering propaganda piece". We all know he is lying; I suspect you know it as well.

My only disagreement is with, "The fact that Trump says he knows nothing about it is irrelevant."

Frankly, the fact that Trump - a person who claims to know everything about everything, the best facts, the biggest brain - says he knows nothing about something damaging to him is overwhelming evidence that he knows all about it.

I agree that is a safe assumption to make. The Trump decision tree on these things is as follows:

Do I think that it will cause me problems for me to know about a topic?
If yes, then I will deny having any knowledge of the topic or anything related to the topic.
If no, then proceed to the next question...

Do I think it would be impressive for me to know about this topic?
If yes, then I will brag about knowing more about it than anyone else on the planet including the experts who have devoted their lives to knowing about it but then proceed to make absurd comments that make it clear that I do not know anything about the topic.
If no, then I will change the subject and blabber about some random nonsense until people's eyes glaze over, I run out of time or I get asked a different question.

You can send every statement Trump makes through this decision tree.

The sad part is just how effective his bad-mafia-Hallmark-movie "plausible deniability" has been, on people like randy. The arguments are basically linguistic equivalents of three Little Rascals standing on each other's shoulders under one big trenchcoat.

And yet.

don’t forget, there’s actual video of him laying out the case for Heritage creating the playbook for his second administration

the dots to connect aren’t just close, they nearly overlap completely

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:07 am don’t forget, there’s actual video of him laying out the case for Heritage creating the playbook for his second administration

the dots to connect aren’t just close, they nearly overlap completely

Agreed. It's plainly obvious that Trump is lying just as he lies about every other horrible thing that he has done. Like I said, no MSM spin needed. Just listen to Trump's own words and he actually tells the real truth that he 100% knows what Project 2025 is and that the points within it are part of his plan should he be elected.

Project 2025 - fear porn for libs

But it would probably still be better than. Whatever the libs have planned for 2025

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:21 pm Project 2025 - fear porn for libs

But it would probably still be better than. Whatever the libs have planned for 2025

The reasonable adults here will go ahead and take this as you walking back your silly claims that Trump and Project 2025 have nothing to do with each other.

it should be fear porn for anyone that doesn’t want to live under a Handmaid’s Tale-as-life scenario

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:37 pm it should be fear porn fear porn for anyone that doesn’t want to live under a Handmaid’s Tale-as-life scenario

Fear porn = The Handmaid's Tale as a work of fiction

Fear reality = The Handmaid's Tale as a documentary

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:21 pm Project 2025 - fear porn for libs

But it would probably still be better than. Whatever the libs have planned for 2025

You can keep calling it that all you want, it doesn't change the reality of the situation. Trump and Vance and the Heritage Foundation have made it very clear what they plan to do and it aligns with the exact words in the Project 2025 document. For someone that claims to be such an ardent researcher of "the truth", you'd think you could figure this out with no more than a few minutes of research.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/project-20 ... -policies/

"Former President Donald Trump has repeatedly disavowed Project 2025, the conservative wish list organized by the Heritage Foundation, saying the plan is not his and contains some "extreme" ideas.

But a line-by-line review by CBS News identified at least 270 proposals in Project 2025's published blueprint for the next Republican president that match Trump's past policies and current campaign promises."

- At least 80 proposals that would revive executive orders and other policies of Trump's own administration from 2017 to 2020.
- 170 proposals that match ideas Trump's campaign has published on its campaign website or that he's said in rally speeches and interviews.
- 21 more proposals that match both Trump's past actions and his campaign promises and statements.

"What's more, CBS News reviewed the work histories of the 38 named primary authors of Project 2025 and found that at least 28 of them worked in Trump's administration. "

The evidence that supports Trump's claim that he knows nothing about Project 2025? That Trump, the well-known beacon of truth, SAID he didn't know anything about it. That's it. That's enough for you apparently.

but, out of the other side of his mouth, he also said there’s good things and bad things about it (even though he knows nothing about it)

and, that he wishes its authors well…if you know nothing about it, why would you wish its authors well?

(it’s akin to supposedly knowing nothing about eppstein’s accomplice, but then wishing her well)