Kansas Crimson

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am It's funny to me that this board is so quick to shame colleges for re-opening, sending kids to school and people going to Sturgis, etc. yet seem to be cool with 15K fans attending football games live, BLM protests, and shooting 36 holes.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:17 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:09 am elementary-aged kids? that’s just silly, as they don’t know any better. their parents are another story entirely. it’s a bit anecdotal, but i’ve seen too many interviews and read too many comments from parents that are literally sick of their kids. i genuinely question just how much of their wanting their kids back in school has to do with the kids’ well-being versus their own frustration. i can’t help but laugh, and then cringe at the comments coming from parents who are ether just sick of 24/7 babysitting, or who themselves can’t handle the “work” that their kids are supposed to be doing. and these aren’t junior high or high school parents. they’re elementary parents.

and as an aside, i genuinely question the science behind some, cdc included, that say the harm being done to kids by distance learning is greater than the risk of sending them back to school. kids, in general, are fucking resilient, and while distance learning may not be ideal, is it really worse than potential death or long-term health issues? plus, it’s really just a giant experiment with kids as the guinea pigs. these times are unprecedented, so how could anyone know what the long-term implications of distance learning are, particularly on this magnitude.

listen, i get it, some families are in sticky situations where they have no other option but to have their kid/s go back to school, fir a whole host of reasons. those aren’t the folks i’m talking about.

and back to my original point, the governors and elected representatives that have been callous and ignorant from the get-go (looking at you, georgia governor), DERSERVE to get the virus. they’re decisions and inaction directly resulted in preventable deaths. obviously, nearly everyone made mistakes/missteps early on while we were all still learning about this beast, but like i said in regards to the college kids...the writing has been on the wall for months, yet some persisted in their ignorance/selfishness/politicization

I am totally with you about the "why" behind some parents "need" in person learning. It is so obvious at times, especially on social media.

Also agree on the whole "mental health" thing for kids. It is total bullshit imo. There are other ways to make sure your kid isnt sad couped up in the house...now i am obviously not speaking about kids from abusive households where school was their outlet. But at the same time 8hrs at school shouldnt be the only way we try to protect those kids and save them from those situations.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:20 am I think defending someone punching workers for requesting people to wear masks is different than saying a college kid who doesn't wear a mask to a bar shouldn't die.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:20 am I think defending someone punching workers for requesting people to wear masks is different than saying a college kid who doesn't wear a mask to a bar shouldn't die.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:24 am

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:20 am I think defending someone punching workers for requesting people to wear masks is different than saying a college kid who doesn't wear a mask to a bar shouldn't die.

there is zero deference in the potential outcome that results from the behaviors of those two groups

and it isn’t just going to a bar, or even a party. it’s the idiocy of CROWDING.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:51 am Intent is important.

A better analogy would be something like serving a crowded bar severely undercooked chicken and a side of cole slaw that has been at room temp for 12 hours.

Or playing 36 holes of golf.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:56 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:51 am Intent is important.

A better analogy would be something like serving a crowded bar severely undercooked chicken and a side of cole slaw that has been at room temp for 12 hours.

Or playing 36 holes of golf.

Intent becomes far less important, from a legal and a moral/ethical standpoint, when the connection between action and consequence is plainly obvious.

And it is absolutely ridiculous to equate outdoor, distanced activities of any kind (whether golf or cycling or rock climbing or kicking a soccer ball around or whatever), with crowding into bars or other enclosed spaces.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:59 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:56 am

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:51 am Intent is important.

A better analogy would be something like serving a crowded bar severely undercooked chicken and a side of cole slaw that has been at room temp for 12 hours.

Or playing 36 holes of golf.

Intent becomes far less important, from a legal and a moral/ethical standpoint, when the connection between action and consequence is plainly obvious.

And it is absolutely ridiculous to equate outdoor, distanced activities of any kind (whether golf or cycling or rock climbing or kicking a soccer ball around or whatever), with crowding into bars or other enclosed spaces.

any and all golfing posts are exclusively directed at Illannoy.

Isn't there legally and morally a big difference between going to someone's house with a gun in your hand and killing them and killing someone because you were driving recklessly?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:03 pm

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:59 am

jfish26 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:56 am

Intent becomes far less important, from a legal and a moral/ethical standpoint, when the connection between action and consequence is plainly obvious.

And it is absolutely ridiculous to equate outdoor, distanced activities of any kind (whether golf or cycling or rock climbing or kicking a soccer ball around or whatever), with crowding into bars or other enclosed spaces.

any and all golfing posts are exclusively directed at Illannoy.

Isn't there legally and morally a big difference between going to someone's house with a gun in your hand and killing them and killing someone because you were driving recklessly?

Sure. But there's also a huge difference in the consequences of being punched, versus contracting Covid. Me getting punched doesn't result in me all of the sudden having a likelihood of me punching others.

I'd rather take my chances with someone throwing a punch at me, over being exposed in a bar situation to Covid.

pdub wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:17 pm Punching someone intentionally results in a 100% chance of harm.
And you are INTENTIONALLY trying to harm someone.
That's a huge difference.

Walking into a bar results in a, what, .0001% chance of harm ( odds that you have covid + odds that if you have it that you give it to someone + odds that once that person has it, it actually harms them ).

It's dumb, you shouldn't do it at this point in life.
But if you're a college kid ( or anyone ) I don't wish death on you because your choices don't align with mine.