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Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:46 am**

and, zooming out, for the sake of journalistic choice of words and preseason hoops talk, I wonder how much "capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" can apply to other players, and to guards in particular.

That sounds borderline backhanded...like who wrote that part of the article, BiggDick?!

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:29 am**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:44 am
As I've also articulated, I'm not sure I agree with "dogged on-ball defender."

Yes. You've "articulated" that belief.

Your example was Marcus Garrett. Who has less career steals and less career blocks than Dajuan Harris. And also less national championships. You have any substance to provide or just Skip Bayless attention seeking hot takes? What is your evidence since you seem to have spent so much time in deep thought pondering this topic.

Fland is a top 20 recruit. Wagner Jr is 6'4 and was a top 10 recruit. These are NBA caliber guards.

DH did not look like a freshman against them. He had a really good game in spit of not having our AA center out there, and the majority of the other players were lost on both sides of the ball.

Is he the best defender of the Bill Self era? No. But he's not overrated in relation to college basketball right now. Who your favorite KU defenders are of days past is irrelevant.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:44 am**

Just being effective in a scheme/system does not win a person B12DPOY.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:45 am**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:46 am and, zooming out, for the sake of journalistic choice of words and preseason hoops talk, I wonder how much "capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" can apply to other players, and to guards in particular.

That sounds borderline backhanded...like who wrote that part of the article, BiggDick?!

Career 3pt shooting %

Dajuan Harris 39.0% (87 makes)
Zeke Mayo 38.8% (231 makes)
Hunter Dickinson 35.8% (68 makes)
Rylan Griffin 35.4% (115 makes)
David Coit 35.4% (175 makes)
Aj Storr 35.2% (86 makes)
Shakeel Moore 31.2% (129 makes)
Jamari McDowell 28.1% (9 makes)
Elmarko Jackson 26.7% (12 makes)
Zach Clemence 25.0% (10 makes)

Kj Adams 0.0% (0 makes on 7 attempts)

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:48 am**

The substance I provided in the Marcus Garrett was that I thought he was a better one-on-one and on-the-ball lockdown type defender than Dajuan, which is a more qualitative observation. This is a qualitative observation you admitted you did not remember. I also gave/give Dajuan credit as good at getting steals in the mix of a team defensive scheme.

You then tried to move the goalposts by citing Marcus and Dajuan's stats, which is a more quantitative observation. In other words, I was discussing how their steals happened, and you changed the discussion to how much their steals happened.

Yes, Dajuan has accumulated more total steals and blocks than Garrett. What you didn't mention tho is that Dajuan has a full season (and counting) more than Garrett to have accumulated those stats over the course of their respective careers.

In terms of steals and blocks per game, Dajuan's and Garrett's averages were/are, interestingly enough, nearly identical.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:49 am**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:48 am The substance I provided in the Marcus Garrett was that I thought he was a better one-on-one and on-the-ball lockdown type defender than Dajuan, which is a more qualitative observation.

I also think Garrett was a better one-on-one defender than Dajuan.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:49 am**

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:44 am Just being effective in a scheme/system does not win a person B12DPOY.

How do you feel about Dajuan as an on-the-ball one-on-one defender?

Would you describe him/is he often described as a "lockdown" guy?

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:53 am**

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:45 am
BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:46 am and, zooming out, for the sake of journalistic choice of words and preseason hoops talk, I wonder how much "capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" can apply to other players, and to guards in particular.

That sounds borderline backhanded...like who wrote that part of the article, BiggDick?!

Career 3pt shooting %

Dajuan Harris 39.0% (87 makes)
Zeke Mayo 38.8% (231 makes)
Hunter Dickinson 35.8% (68 makes)
Rylan Griffin 35.4% (115 makes)
David Coit 35.4% (175 makes)
Aj Storr 35.2% (86 makes)
Shakeel Moore 31.2% (129 makes)
Jamari McDowell 28.1% (9 makes)
Elmarko Jackson 26.7% (12 makes)
Zach Clemence 25.0% (10 makes)

Kj Adams 0.0% (0 makes on 7 attempts)

you're once again trying to argue a qualitative observation with quantitative stats, tho it might apply a little better here.

saying Dajuan is "a capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" is kinda like saying "KJ is an elite rebounder as long as he's the closest to the ball with no one else around to box him out or otherwise go up for the bored."

But if you wanna talk stats - the fact defenses are as unlikely as they are to guard Dajuan from 3 is a big part of why Dajuan gets the percentage he does. And, compare 87 makes over 5 years to some of those other guys, particularly some of those other experienced perimeter players.

I wonder what some of those other guys' percentages and total makes would be if other defenses schemed to gamble on leaving them open.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:24 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:49 am
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:44 am Just being effective in a scheme/system does not win a person B12DPOY.
How do you feel about Dajuan as an on-the-ball one-on-one defender?

Would you describe him/is he often described as a "lockdown" guy?

his ability to "lock down" put a banner in the rafters of AFH. Doesn't matter if you ever admit that or not.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:28 pm**

Ok so I guess that’s a…yes?

Either way, here’s to putting more banners up.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:32 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:48 am
Yes, Dajuan has accumulated more total steals and blocks than Garrett. What you didn't mention tho is that Dajuan has a full season (and counting) more than Garrett to have accumulated those stats over the course of their respective careers.

God you suck at this.

DH has played 4 seasons. Marcus Garrett played 4 seasons.

129 games worth of stats for MG, 140 games for DH. DH has more games, in part, due to his team winning a national title.

Of course you want to eye test it. Unfortunately your eye test opinions don't hold much weight because you don't seem to understand basketball very well. You've demonstrated that at countless times over the years.

My eye test remembers that MG was better at defense as a small ball 4. When he matched up exclusively with small guards he was often at a disadvantage speed wise. His length helped negate that disadvantage, which is why he was a 3x all big 12 defense team.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:32 pm**

A good one on one defender who always knows where to be on defense and has a gifted sense of where the ball is going.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:37 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:53 am
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:45 am
BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:46 am and, zooming out, for the sake of journalistic choice of words and preseason hoops talk, I wonder how much "capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" can apply to other players, and to guards in particular.

That sounds borderline backhanded...like who wrote that part of the article, BiggDick?!

Career 3pt shooting %

Dajuan Harris 39.0% (87 makes)
Zeke Mayo 38.8% (231 makes)
Hunter Dickinson 35.8% (68 makes)
Rylan Griffin 35.4% (115 makes)
David Coit 35.4% (175 makes)
Aj Storr 35.2% (86 makes)
Shakeel Moore 31.2% (129 makes)
Jamari McDowell 28.1% (9 makes)
Elmarko Jackson 26.7% (12 makes)
Zach Clemence 25.0% (10 makes)

Kj Adams 0.0% (0 makes on 7 attempts)
you're once again trying to argue a qualitative observation with quantitative stats, tho it might apply a little better here.

saying Dajuan is "a capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" is kinda like saying "KJ is an elite rebounder as long as he's the closest to the ball with no one else around to box him out or otherwise go up for the bored."

But if you wanna talk stats - the fact defenses are as unlikely as they are to guard Dajuan from 3 is a big part of why Dajuan gets the percentage he does. And, compare 87 makes over 5 years to some of those other guys, particularly some of those other experienced perimeter players.

I wonder what some of those other guys' percentages and total makes would be if other defenses schemed to gamble on leaving them open.

Defenses don't ignore DH. They really haven't for a year or so. Arkansas certainly didn't ignore him from 3.

They completely ignored KJ and it ruins our offense.

You didn't watch the game, or you'd know that.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:38 pm**

Dang , Dajuan has been here so long I forgot about the shirt year. My mistake! Now, please spare the condescension.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:45 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:38 pm Dang , Dajuan has been here so long I forgot about the shirt year. My mistake! Now, please spare the condescension.

You forgot that players don't accumulate stats during redshirt seasons?

Tell us more about your eye test expertise. You really seem locked in on the CBB talent landscape.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:51 pm**

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:37 pm
BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:53 am
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:45 am

Career 3pt shooting %

Dajuan Harris 39.0% (87 makes)
Zeke Mayo 38.8% (231 makes)
Hunter Dickinson 35.8% (68 makes)
Rylan Griffin 35.4% (115 makes)
David Coit 35.4% (175 makes)
Aj Storr 35.2% (86 makes)
Shakeel Moore 31.2% (129 makes)
Jamari McDowell 28.1% (9 makes)
Elmarko Jackson 26.7% (12 makes)
Zach Clemence 25.0% (10 makes)

Kj Adams 0.0% (0 makes on 7 attempts)
you're once again trying to argue a qualitative observation with quantitative stats, tho it might apply a little better here.

saying Dajuan is "a capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" is kinda like saying "KJ is an elite rebounder as long as he's the closest to the ball with no one else around to box him out or otherwise go up for the bored."

But if you wanna talk stats - the fact defenses are as unlikely as they are to guard Dajuan from 3 is a big part of why Dajuan gets the percentage he does. And, compare 87 makes over 5 years to some of those other guys, particularly some of those other experienced perimeter players.

I wonder what some of those other guys' percentages and total makes would be if other defenses schemed to gamble on leaving them open.
Defenses don't ignore DH. They really haven't for a year or so. Arkansas certainly didn't ignore him from 3.

They completely ignored KJ and it ruins our offense.

You didn't watch the game, or you'd know that.

Admittedly I didn’t catch the entire game in real time, as I was out on a date with a lady (lonely smack talk be damned…but bad fan smack talk might apply)

I did watch replay highlights and catch discussions. Several of Dajuan’s 3s were wide open, tho maybe that’s just the D breaking down on a particular play/s.

It wouldn’t be the first time Cal schemes to sag off Dajuan tho either.

And, yes, after 4 seasons, I think it’s clear many opponents sag off/otherwise scheme to not guard Dajuan as closely as a shooter, rather than guard his J more closely. That’s how he enjoys higher shooting percentages - cuz he ends up open more often than other shooters.

And tho he ends up open more often than other shooters, he doesn’t/ hasn’t knocked down as many shots, cuz he isn’t a great shooter in the first place. This isn’t exactly breaking news.

But, maybe an improved J will be part of the final season magic. Nobody expected BIFM to knock down like half his donuts as a senior, either.

And yea, KJ’s lack of a J is maybe even more schemed against, and maybe hurts our offense more

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:55 pm**

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:45 pm
BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:38 pm Dang , Dajuan has been here so long I forgot about the shirt year. My mistake! Now, please spare the condescension.
You forgot that players don't accumulate stats during redshirt seasons?

Yea, like I said, my mistake. I at least possess enough humility to admit a mistake. Covid years got me mixed up.

Tell us more about your eye test expertise. You really seem locked in on the CBB talent landscape.

Ok will do!

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:10 pm**

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:51 pm
DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:37 pm
BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:53 am

you're once again trying to argue a qualitative observation with quantitative stats, tho it might apply a little better here.

saying Dajuan is "a capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open" is kinda like saying "KJ is an elite rebounder as long as he's the closest to the ball with no one else around to box him out or otherwise go up for the bored."

But if you wanna talk stats - the fact defenses are as unlikely as they are to guard Dajuan from 3 is a big part of why Dajuan gets the percentage he does. And, compare 87 makes over 5 years to some of those other guys, particularly some of those other experienced perimeter players.

I wonder what some of those other guys' percentages and total makes would be if other defenses schemed to gamble on leaving them open.
Defenses don't ignore DH. They really haven't for a year or so. Arkansas certainly didn't ignore him from 3.

They completely ignored KJ and it ruins our offense.

You didn't watch the game, or you'd know that.
Admittedly I didn’t catch the entire game in real time, as I was out on a date with a lady (lonely smack talk be damned…but bad fan smack talk might apply)

I did watch replay highlights and catch discussions. Several of Dajuan’s 3s were wide open, tho maybe that’s just the D breaking down on a particular play/s.

It wouldn’t be the first time Cal schemes to sag off Dajuan tho either.

And, yes, after 4 seasons, I think it’s clear many opponents sag off/otherwise scheme to not guard Dajuan as closely as a shooter, rather than guard his J more closely. That’s how he enjoys higher shooting percentages - cuz he ends up open more often than other shooters.

And tho he ends up open more often than other shooters, he doesn’t/ hasn’t knocked down as many shots, cuz he isn’t a great shooter in the first place. This isn’t exactly breaking news.

But, maybe an improved J will be part of the final season magic. Nobody expected BIFM to knock down like half his donuts as a senior, either.

And yea, KJ’s lack of a J is maybe even more schemed against, and maybe hurts our offense more

He's knocked down 39% of his career 3pt attempts Ousdahl. It's not a small sample size. He's not standing alone in a gym shooting from a ball rack. Taking good shots isn't a negative. You don't get extra points by taking forced/guarded 3s.

And KJ is absolutely schemed against that way (sagging off/ignoring) significantly more than DH. Not "maybe". Not even close.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:19 pm**

okay then...well if he's a career 39% 3-point shooter then boy is it a shame he's only taken 1.6 attempts per game.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:20 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:00 am Ohhhhh boy BDick's not gonna like this:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... on-top-100

"37. Dajuan Harris Jr.
Kansas Jayhawks | G | Senior

Harris is back in Lawrence to chase his second national championship. He started 39 of 40 games as a sophomore during the Jayhawks' title-winning campaign, and he has started every game the past two seasons. He's a dogged on-ball defender and a steady playmaker who runs the offense and gets the ball to his teammates in the right spot. Also a capable 3-point shooter if defenses leave him open."

Also ranked:
87. Zeke
69. KJ
31. Storr
4. Hunter

( 41. Tyon Grant Foster )

I actually saw one of these player rankings things that had TGF ranked as the best forward in college. Wish he would've stuck around. 6'7 athlete who can should would have fit in lovely. Last year especially when we had no depth

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