Kansas Crimson

And why stop at second best?
The goal of the NCAA is to provide the best product and if you get more Andrew Wiggins and less Zach Peters, well, your product just gets better - that's a 100% fact, scientifically tested, proven, written in law, no ifs or buts or candy or nuts - agreed on by everyone.
So if we cut the fat, or maybe just the rich white kids, we'll be set to challenge the NBA TV market, which really should be one of the major goals, to get BWW Chad to tune in, tweet about it every now and then and then buy stuff, and the more stuff BWW Chad buys, the better our product will be - it's simple economics people.

What I really like about your plan is that, because there were some students not intetested in an education now we can take that opportunity away from all of them.

For years we've cared too much about the many many kids who would not have otherwise been able to go to college who become successes in something not sports related, when all along our priority should have been not delaying that one kid his lucrative contract with shasta cola by less than a year.

Glad we are on the same page.
We should get the ball rolling on this since everyone is in agreement.
I'd try but good golly am I reeking in privilege -- guys who handle big business agreements/mergers/transactions and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year doing it, the salt of the earth guys, the guys who really feel the plight of the young African American, they should be the ones setting up these changes.

Get JFish & Cnb on the phone.
Every minute talking to those guys, no matter the cost, is worth it, if it means we get guys who really understand what it's like to earn a minimum-wage and be struggling to feed their families.

Great!

I'm going to go find some tweets from a bunch of successful white guys with high paying influential jobs requiring college degrees who are unironically arguing that offering someone well beyond a full scholarship to college for playing basketball is a bad and immoral thing.

remind me where the ignore this poster function is.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:32 pm

So, college football will be the new testing: practically-speaking, the only apparatus with a wide enough scope to begin organizing things the right way, is abdicating.

9th Circuit Judge Milan Smith in his concurring opinion today against NCAA:

the ncaa is the one who wanted the feds to step in, right?

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:00 pm the ncaa is the one who wanted the feds to step in, right?

I haven't heard that.

Honestly, I don't think the FBI asked the NCAAs permission to start an investigation that began as something totally different/separate.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:02 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:00 pm the ncaa is the one who wanted the feds to step in, right?

I haven't heard that.

Honestly, I don't think the FBI asked the NCAAs permission to start an investigation that began as something totally different/separate.

To start an investigation? Perhaps not. But it would seem highly unlikely that things would have gone the way they did, as far as they did, without some sort of directional and positional alignment.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:18 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:02 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:00 pm the ncaa is the one who wanted the feds to step in, right?

I haven't heard that.

Honestly, I don't think the FBI asked the NCAAs permission to start an investigation that began as something totally different/separate.

To start an investigation? Perhaps not. But it would seem highly unlikely that things would have gone the way they did, as far as they did, without some sort of directional and positional alignment.

Ya I'm sure once the wheels were in motion they brought the NCAA into the loop, but I dont think it all started by the NCAA saying "hey FBI we'd really like to nail adidas and Kansas, so can you start looking into this stuff that we've known has been going on for decades while mostly turning a blind eye?...oh and please don't catch Coach K and Duke because we really like them."


On another note: why are they waiting so long to punish us when it seems obvious they've have their mind made up about us for months? Let's get this shit over with all ready.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:32 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:18 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:02 pm

I haven't heard that.

Honestly, I don't think the FBI asked the NCAAs permission to start an investigation that began as something totally different/separate.

To start an investigation? Perhaps not. But it would seem highly unlikely that things would have gone the way they did, as far as they did, without some sort of directional and positional alignment.

Ya I'm sure once the wheels were in motion they brought the NCAA into the loop, but I dont think it all started by the NCAA saying "hey FBI we'd really like to nail adidas and Kansas, so can you start looking into this stuff that we've known has been going on for decades while mostly turning a blind eye?...oh and please don't catch Coach K and Duke because we really like them."


On another note: why are they waiting so long to punish us when it seems obvious they've have their mind made up about us for months? Let's get this shit over with all ready.

Because they have nothing to punish ‘us’ for.

Cascadia wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:46 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:32 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:18 pm

To start an investigation? Perhaps not. But it would seem highly unlikely that things would have gone the way they did, as far as they did, without some sort of directional and positional alignment.

Ya I'm sure once the wheels were in motion they brought the NCAA into the loop, but I dont think it all started by the NCAA saying "hey FBI we'd really like to nail adidas and Kansas, so can you start looking into this stuff that we've known has been going on for decades while mostly turning a blind eye?...oh and please don't catch Coach K and Duke because we really like them."


On another note: why are they waiting so long to punish us when it seems obvious they've have their mind made up about us for months? Let's get this shit over with all ready.

Because they have nothing to punish ‘us’ for.

I know you keep saying that, but they made very clear in their "response to our response" that they do and they will....they make the rules and make the punishments. Fair or not, that's how it works.

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:49 pm

Cascadia wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:46 pm

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 7:32 pm

Ya I'm sure once the wheels were in motion they brought the NCAA into the loop, but I dont think it all started by the NCAA saying "hey FBI we'd really like to nail adidas and Kansas, so can you start looking into this stuff that we've known has been going on for decades while mostly turning a blind eye?...oh and please don't catch Coach K and Duke because we really like them."


On another note: why are they waiting so long to punish us when it seems obvious they've have their mind made up about us for months? Let's get this shit over with all ready.

Because they have nothing to punish ‘us’ for.

I know you keep saying that, but they made very clear in their "response to our response" that they do and they will....they make the rules and make the punishments. Fair or not, that's how it works.

Because they know how widespread this is. If they throw the hammer at KU and Self for a "we can't prove it, but we know you did it" case, KU and Self will go down swinging.

You're going to punish KU for "knowing" they did it, they will fight to get that overruled or bring everyone else down with them. Good luck to the NCAA selling an NCAA tounrey that dozens of their top programs are ineligible for.

If you're going to make an example out of a program because you're incompetent, don't go after one of the biggest ones.

Is that arrogant and cocky, absolutely. But when you have the balls to challenge the highest power, Darnell Jackson said it best. Let 'em hang.

I think you guys are going to be sadly mistaken by how this plays out if you're expecting absolutely no punishment.

I don't think they don't have to prove kansas "knew". The rule is written in a way that includes "should have known".

I hope you're right though. I think this is all pretty stupid. The rules. The punishments. The hypocrisy....i guess we will find out sooner or later?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jakelourim ... whos-next/

Not related to Kansas issues, but a recap of GT penalties.

""Built into Georgia Tech’s case were proactive measures taken by the school: The NCAA’s committee on infractions found that Pastner repeatedly told Bell not to offer his players any benefits. He fired LaBarrie soon after he learned of the night at the strip club, and he told administrators “immediately” about Bell’s payments.

Those issues generated a postseason ban, one of the more serious punishments the NCAA doles out.

In releasing its decision, the NCAA repeated the phrase “outside individuals” and singled them out as culprits: “Both sets of violations occurred because men’s basketball coaching staff members invited outside individuals into their program,” the committee said in its decision. “They permitted these outside individuals to interact with their student-athletes, and those actions resulted in violations.”

That’s a blanket term to refer to any agents, boosters or AAU coaches who participate in illicit payments. If, say, an “inside” individual were involved, the optics would be far worse. That’s the kind of situation Kansas could find itself in as the process speeds up.""

IllinoisJayhawk wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:33 pm I think you guys are going to be sadly mistaken by how this plays out if you're expecting absolutely no punishment.

I don't think they don't have to prove kansas "knew". The rule is written in a way that includes "should have known".

I hope you're right though. I think this is all pretty stupid. The rules. The punishments. The hypocrisy....i guess we will find out sooner or later?

It's not that I expect absolutely no punishment. I simply expect if they punish Kansas, it's just a snowball effect with Kansas being the first flake in the ball.

You can say it doesn't look good for Kansas, and I won't disagree, but I think it looks worse for the NCAA. I don't see a way this whole thing ends without the NCAA admitting they either don't know how or simply cannot do their jobs.

And that is my answer to your question of why hasn't the NCAA punished KU yet. You can't know all your kids are doing the same thing only to punish one of them later after ignoring the issue for years.

I would agree with ND here if we hadn’t won the national championship with Zion Williamson.