Kansas Crimson

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:30 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:13 am

randylahey wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:20 pm Biden is a perfect example of why we need to steer this country away from career politicians. And began drastically minimizing the power of the the federal government in general, especially intelligence agencies life the fbi, doj, etc

Please help me/us out.
1. What is YOUR definition of a "career politician"?
2. What power/s does the federal government have over YOU that YOU are opposed to?
3. Why do you feel the USA needs to "drastically minimize" the power of the FBI and DOJ?

1. Biden for example. 50 years in politics. People like Jim, Pelosi, McConnell, the ones that get filthy rich from politics
2. A lot. Mainly that ridiculous amounts of taxes and fees. And they're access and monitoring of information
3. Because they are both being weaponized for political agenda. They act on big governments best interests, not the American peoples best interests

1) I don't think being a career politician is in itself a disqualifier if you are good at it. But there are some who are solely about self power like McConnell who need to just go away. And Biden is just too damn old to have the mental sharpness that this job requires. He has mostly hired well and has mostly pushed positive policies so overall I don't have a big problem with him. But it's time for some fresh ideas and policies that are more in tuned with a younger generation.
2) Sure, everyone wants to pay "less taxes". If we didn't want more for less then Walmart wouldn't be a thing. But I'd be fine with them just managing the money they already take in and pay out better. Some good old fashioned auditing, transparency and accountability would save this nation billions most likely.
3) Meh, that's mostly your Facebook feed talking to you. The notion that the investigations into the career criminal Donald Trump is "political" is just stupid. He has spent most of his adult life in courtrooms trying to avoid prison for his nefarious behavior and business practices, certainly since long before he became a politician. The vast majority of work done by the FBI and DoJ is just excellent federal level police work by hardworking citizens in the best interest of the nation.

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:08 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:30 am

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:13 am

Please help me/us out.
1. What is YOUR definition of a "career politician"?
2. What power/s does the federal government have over YOU that YOU are opposed to?
3. Why do you feel the USA needs to "drastically minimize" the power of the FBI and DOJ?

1. Biden for example. 50 years in politics. People like Jim, Pelosi, McConnell, the ones that get filthy rich from politics
2. A lot. Mainly that ridiculous amounts of taxes and fees. And they're access and monitoring of information
3. Because they are both being weaponized for political agenda. They act on big governments best interests, not the American peoples best interests

1) I don't think being a career politician is in itself a disqualifier if you are good at it. But there are some who are solely about self power like McConnell who need to just go away. And Biden is just too damn old to have the mental sharpness that this job requires. He has mostly hired well and has mostly pushed positive policies so overall I don't have a big problem with him. But it's time for some fresh ideas and policies that are more in tuned with a younger generation.
2) Sure, everyone wants to pay "less taxes". If we didn't want more for less then Walmart wouldn't be a thing. But I'd be fine with them just managing the money they already take in and pay out better. Some good old fashioned auditing, transparency and accountability would save this nation billions most likely.
3) Meh, that's mostly your Facebook feed talking to you. The notion that the investigations into the career criminal Donald Trump is "political" is just stupid. He has spent most of his adult life in courtrooms trying to avoid prison for his nefarious behavior and business practices, certainly since long before he became a politician. The vast majority of work done by the FBI and DoJ is just excellent federal level police work by hardworking citizens in the best interest of the nation.

I don't see Item 1 the same way as you do. I don't think Biden's stale or out-of-touch ideas are a product of age so much as they're a material and essential element of his greatest strength as a politician (consensus-building and incrementality). I personally like that Biden is accomplishing what he's accomplishing WITHOUT handing the keys to the far-left wing of the party.

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:27 am

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:25 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:11 am

not to side with randy but

https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lob ... =N00001669

so, he’s a politician

That's sad you find that normal and acceptable. That our state of modern politics is that poor

nobody said it’s acceptable, dipshit

it’s absolutely normal

that you continue to demonize only the left and claim they’re the problem shows just how much of an indoctrinated idiot you are

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:23 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:08 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:30 am

1. Biden for example. 50 years in politics. People like Jim, Pelosi, McConnell, the ones that get filthy rich from politics
2. A lot. Mainly that ridiculous amounts of taxes and fees. And they're access and monitoring of information
3. Because they are both being weaponized for political agenda. They act on big governments best interests, not the American peoples best interests

1) I don't think being a career politician is in itself a disqualifier if you are good at it. But there are some who are solely about self power like McConnell who need to just go away. And Biden is just too damn old to have the mental sharpness that this job requires. He has mostly hired well and has mostly pushed positive policies so overall I don't have a big problem with him. But it's time for some fresh ideas and policies that are more in tuned with a younger generation.
2) Sure, everyone wants to pay "less taxes". If we didn't want more for less then Walmart wouldn't be a thing. But I'd be fine with them just managing the money they already take in and pay out better. Some good old fashioned auditing, transparency and accountability would save this nation billions most likely.
3) Meh, that's mostly your Facebook feed talking to you. The notion that the investigations into the career criminal Donald Trump is "political" is just stupid. He has spent most of his adult life in courtrooms trying to avoid prison for his nefarious behavior and business practices, certainly since long before he became a politician. The vast majority of work done by the FBI and DoJ is just excellent federal level police work by hardworking citizens in the best interest of the nation.

I don't see Item 1 the same way as you do. I don't think Biden's stale or out-of-touch ideas are a product of age so much as they're a material and essential element of his greatest strength as a politician (consensus-building and incrementality). I personally like that Biden is accomplishing what he's accomplishing WITHOUT handing the keys to the far-left wing of the party.

^^^^^^
who knew compromise was so bad?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:23 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:08 pm
1) I don't think being a career politician is in itself a disqualifier if you are good at it. But there are some who are solely about self power like McConnell who need to just go away. And Biden is just too damn old to have the mental sharpness that this job requires. He has mostly hired well and has mostly pushed positive policies so overall I don't have a big problem with him. But it's time for some fresh ideas and policies that are more in tuned with a younger generation.
2) Sure, everyone wants to pay "less taxes". If we didn't want more for less then Walmart wouldn't be a thing. But I'd be fine with them just managing the money they already take in and pay out better. Some good old fashioned auditing, transparency and accountability would save this nation billions most likely.
3) Meh, that's mostly your Facebook feed talking to you. The notion that the investigations into the career criminal Donald Trump is "political" is just stupid. He has spent most of his adult life in courtrooms trying to avoid prison for his nefarious behavior and business practices, certainly since long before he became a politician. The vast majority of work done by the FBI and DoJ is just excellent federal level police work by hardworking citizens in the best interest of the nation.

I don't see Item 1 the same way as you do. I don't think Biden's stale or out-of-touch ideas are a product of age so much as they're a material and essential element of his greatest strength as a politician (consensus-building and incrementality). I personally like that Biden is accomplishing what he's accomplishing WITHOUT handing the keys to the far-left wing of the party.

^^^^^^
who knew compromise was so bad?

I guess - yeah, it's compromise. But I also think there's a more fundamental element to it.

While by no means would I suggest Biden has NOT lived a privileged and comfortable life attained by way of his political career, I believe that Biden truly does see himself as a steward and caretaker. Someone whose job is to take keys that were handed to him, keep the house standing and make some improvements, and then hand the keys to someone else. He knows that the house is not his.

I think he absolutely has an arrogance to him - a pridefulness about his accomplishments, and his own place in history. But I believe he has a much, much healthier understanding of his role than do many of his contemporaries (allies and foes alike).

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:23 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:08 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:30 am

1. Biden for example. 50 years in politics. People like Jim, Pelosi, McConnell, the ones that get filthy rich from politics
2. A lot. Mainly that ridiculous amounts of taxes and fees. And they're access and monitoring of information
3. Because they are both being weaponized for political agenda. They act on big governments best interests, not the American peoples best interests

1) I don't think being a career politician is in itself a disqualifier if you are good at it. But there are some who are solely about self power like McConnell who need to just go away. And Biden is just too damn old to have the mental sharpness that this job requires. He has mostly hired well and has mostly pushed positive policies so overall I don't have a big problem with him. But it's time for some fresh ideas and policies that are more in tuned with a younger generation.
2) Sure, everyone wants to pay "less taxes". If we didn't want more for less then Walmart wouldn't be a thing. But I'd be fine with them just managing the money they already take in and pay out better. Some good old fashioned auditing, transparency and accountability would save this nation billions most likely.
3) Meh, that's mostly your Facebook feed talking to you. The notion that the investigations into the career criminal Donald Trump is "political" is just stupid. He has spent most of his adult life in courtrooms trying to avoid prison for his nefarious behavior and business practices, certainly since long before he became a politician. The vast majority of work done by the FBI and DoJ is just excellent federal level police work by hardworking citizens in the best interest of the nation.

I don't see Item 1 the same way as you do. I don't think Biden's stale or out-of-touch ideas are a product of age so much as they're a material and essential element of his greatest strength as a politician (consensus-building and incrementality). I personally like that Biden is accomplishing what he's accomplishing WITHOUT handing the keys to the far-left wing of the party.

We're kinda talking about two different things. I agree with you and find Biden's ability to work across the aisle as his biggest strength. It's how things have to work and he knows this BECAUSE he is a career politician. You cannot get anything done without compromise unless you have 1) superior numbers or 2) an idea so great that everyone loves it and it benefits all. They don't have 1) so you either have 2), which does happen here and there or you have to compromise to find a way to make some progress.

But he's pretty behind the times. The Dem Party needs to empower their younger (not youngEST) generation of members. You don't have to hand the reins to AOC and the 30 year olds and skip everyone in the middle. I agree that's just dumb. There's a lot of talent between Biden and AOC.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:32 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:26 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:23 pm

I don't see Item 1 the same way as you do. I don't think Biden's stale or out-of-touch ideas are a product of age so much as they're a material and essential element of his greatest strength as a politician (consensus-building and incrementality). I personally like that Biden is accomplishing what he's accomplishing WITHOUT handing the keys to the far-left wing of the party.

^^^^^^
who knew compromise was so bad?

I guess - yeah, it's compromise. But I also think there's a more fundamental element to it.

While by no means would I suggest Biden has NOT lived a privileged and comfortable life attained by way of his political career, I believe that Biden truly does see himself as a steward and caretaker. Someone whose job is to take keys that were handed to him, keep the house standing and make some improvements, and then hand the keys to someone else. He knows that the house is not his.

I think he absolutely has an arrogance to him - a pridefulness about his accomplishments, and his own place in history. But I believe he has a much, much healthier understanding of his role than do many of his contemporaries (allies and foes alike).

i absolutely agree

defixione wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:40 am We can say that about Trump over the last sixty years, too, right?

FYP

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:33 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:23 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:08 pm
1) I don't think being a career politician is in itself a disqualifier if you are good at it. But there are some who are solely about self power like McConnell who need to just go away. And Biden is just too damn old to have the mental sharpness that this job requires. He has mostly hired well and has mostly pushed positive policies so overall I don't have a big problem with him. But it's time for some fresh ideas and policies that are more in tuned with a younger generation.
2) Sure, everyone wants to pay "less taxes". If we didn't want more for less then Walmart wouldn't be a thing. But I'd be fine with them just managing the money they already take in and pay out better. Some good old fashioned auditing, transparency and accountability would save this nation billions most likely.
3) Meh, that's mostly your Facebook feed talking to you. The notion that the investigations into the career criminal Donald Trump is "political" is just stupid. He has spent most of his adult life in courtrooms trying to avoid prison for his nefarious behavior and business practices, certainly since long before he became a politician. The vast majority of work done by the FBI and DoJ is just excellent federal level police work by hardworking citizens in the best interest of the nation.

I don't see Item 1 the same way as you do. I don't think Biden's stale or out-of-touch ideas are a product of age so much as they're a material and essential element of his greatest strength as a politician (consensus-building and incrementality). I personally like that Biden is accomplishing what he's accomplishing WITHOUT handing the keys to the far-left wing of the party.

We're kinda talking about two different things. I agree with you and find Biden's ability to work across the aisle as his biggest strength. It's how things have to work and he knows this BECAUSE he is a career politician. You cannot get anything done without compromise unless you have 1) superior numbers or 2) an idea so great that everyone loves it and it benefits all. They don't have 1) so you either have 2), which does happen here and there or you have to compromise to find a way to make some progress.

But he's pretty behind the times. The Dem Party needs to empower their younger (not youngEST) generation of members. You don't have to hand the reins to AOC and the 30 year olds and skip everyone in the middle. I agree that's just dumb. There's a lot of talent between Biden and AOC.

Broadly, I agree. But I think that handoff can definitely happen for 2028. I don't have an issue with Biden running again in 2024. And, absent something pretty nuts, he'll have my vote.

Younger folks forget what Republicans used to be like prior to Reagan. Biden is basically a moderate Republican. I liked moderate Republicans. They were serious about defense, worked for fair labor practices. Fiscally sound--not cruel, but realistic.

There's a lot of talent between Biden and AOC.

No there's not. That's Obama's legacy. The 2010 and 2014 midterms destroyed and depleted "Generation Jones" and Gen-X Dems.

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:50 pm Younger folks forget what Republicans used to be like prior to Reagan. Biden is basically a moderate Republican. I liked moderate Republicans. They were serious about defense, worked for fair labor practices. Fiscally sound--not cruel, but realistic.

Sparko and Nixon, sitting in a tree....

"Bidenomics"

I Like it!

Sparko wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:50 pm Younger folks forget what Republicans used to be like prior to Reagan. Biden is basically a moderate Republican. I liked moderate Republicans. They were serious about defense, worked for fair labor practices. Fiscally sound--not cruel, but realistic.

Yeahhhhhhhh...I get what you're saying...

Biden is in many/most regards a left-center guy, like what some republicans used to be able to get away with being.

As a liberal, like many of you, I too wish:

-Biden was younger. I really, really, really, wish he was.

But, if Biden didn't run in '24, which dem was going to take his place? And, if not VP Harris, shudder, who could overcome the enmity of Black female voters enough to still prevail in the general election without enthusiastic Black female support? I can't think of anyone. And while Harris will still have some hold in that regard in '28 if she decides to run for president, I think the primary process will help the people who are so much in her corner realize she doesn't have "it".

Please don't quote me, but I largely agree with DC. As much as I might like some of the potential democratic candidates between Biden and AOC, there isn't one who comes close to the "it" that Bill Clinton or Barack Obama had. I know it's unrealistic to expect anyone would, but there's not one who comes to mind who's anywhere close, imo. Gov Newsom of CA is 55, Gov Whitmer of MI is 51, Gov Pritzker of IL is 58, and Jamie Raskin is 60, and a few members of the house come to mind as being between Biden and AOC, but I don't think any of them have sufficient national name recognition, tho they likely will by '28. Am I forgetting anyone?

-Biden's policies were farther to the left.

But, even tho Biden won by > 7 million votes nationwide, "just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College". (NPR) So, as much as we might want him to move more toward the L with more progressive policies, it's hard to imagine he could move very far and not potentially lose those 44,000 votes.

There is no substitute for winning. I wish it weren't so, but who among the dems has the chance to win in '24 more than Biden? A Biden win in '24 isn't perfect, but it gets us a lot closer to our liberal goals, and keeps us from the obvious regression*, a republican win in '24 would.

*regression is a nice way to put the havoc that people motivated by hating the other, owning the "woke", and enriching the already rich and powerful would reek on our country after 4-8 years of holding power.

Buttigieg (my choice)

Harris has disappeared. she’s been less visible than pence was, which is saying something given trump’s obsession with the spotlight

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:05 pm Buttigieg (my choice)

Harris has disappeared. she’s been less visible than pence was, which is saying something given trump’s obsession with the spotlight

I think it has turned out that Harris' actual chops are not overly impressive.

I'm probably talking more out of my ass than I should given that I'm far, far from a California politics knower, but: I guess I'm not that surprised that someone who has governed the State of California (Newsom, obvi) comes off as more tested/experienced/prepared than someone who has represented the State of California in the Senate.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:54 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 3:05 pm Buttigieg (my choice)

Harris has disappeared. she’s been less visible than pence was, which is saying something given trump’s obsession with the spotlight

I think it has turned out that Harris' actual chops are not overly impressive.

I'm probably talking more out of my ass than I should given that I'm far, far from a California politics knower, but: I guess I'm not that surprised that someone who has governed the State of California (Newsom, obvi) comes off as more tested/experienced/prepared than someone who has represented the State of California in the Senate.

i begrudgingly agree

i just don’t like Newsome. not sure why, exactly, other than the Bateman vibe…

Can you see Uncle Joe mooning me and and giving me the finger? Me either.
This was about an hour ago.

If the democrat party is serious about wanting to maintain the white house in 2024, they need to unite behind Kennedy Jr

But that will never happen, they will try to squeeze him out. Because he has been at war with big pharma for years

I think all of us understand taxes are necessary. But the way our tax money is continually wasted and spent irresponsibly is what so many of us are fed up with