Kansas Crimson

Sparko wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:45 pm 40 posts of bullshit a day to flood the zone, eh psych? Complete bullshit. I am putting you on talk over and ignore.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:23 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:29 am Obama was Christian. He was also very good at what he did. VGR is Hindu and not very good at anything. Religion has nothing to do with it, but notice Psych keeps repeating the racist Muslim lie. Anything Psych and co. accuse the other side of doing is their own SOP.

He's not Christian. He may also not be Muslim, but he's definitely not Christian any more than Trump is.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:13 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:23 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 11:29 am Obama was Christian. He was also very good at what he did. VGR is Hindu and not very good at anything. Religion has nothing to do with it, but notice Psych keeps repeating the racist Muslim lie. Anything Psych and co. accuse the other side of doing is their own SOP.

He's not Christian. He may also not be Muslim, but he's definitely not Christian any more than Trump is.

He's absolutely Christian. How does one judge who is "more" Christian than another Christian?
I am extremely confident Obama attends/attended church more often than Trump, Obama can recite more bible passages than Trump, and I am also confident God would feel Obama is "more" (and a "better") Christian than Trump is.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:39 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:13 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:23 pm

He's not Christian. He may also not be Muslim, but he's definitely not Christian any more than Trump is.

He's absolutely Christian. How does one judge who is "more" Christian than another Christian?
I am extremely confident Obama attends/attended church more often than Trump, Obama can recite more bible passages than Trump, and I am also confident God would feel Obama is "more" (and a "better") Christian than Trump is.

He was/is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, who is a purveyor of a mishmash of Black nationalism and socialism with a few Bible verses mixed in for palatability. His “God damn America” speech tells you everything you need to know.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:38 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:39 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:13 pm

He's absolutely Christian. How does one judge who is "more" Christian than another Christian?
I am extremely confident Obama attends/attended church more often than Trump, Obama can recite more bible passages than Trump, and I am also confident God would feel Obama is "more" (and a "better") Christian than Trump is.

He was/is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, who is a purveyor of a mishmash of Black nationalism and socialism with a few Bible verses mixed in for palatability. His “God damn America” speech tells you everything you need to know.

Was a follower of Wright. Denounced him. Left his church.
What does that have to do with Obama being Christian or not? If anything, that probably makes him more Christian.

I have listened to Wright's speech. Much of it was factual. Much of it was his being pissed off that our country's government shit on Black people.
What about his speech tells me everything I need to know?
I don't have a problem with facts and Black people being pissed off for being persecuted.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:48 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:38 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:39 pm

He was/is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, who is a purveyor of a mishmash of Black nationalism and socialism with a few Bible verses mixed in for palatability. His “God damn America” speech tells you everything you need to know.

Was a follower of Wright. Denounced him. Left his church.
What does that have to do with Obama being Christian or not? If anything, that probably makes him more Christian.

I have listened to Wright's speech. Much of it was factual. Much of it was his being pissed off that our country's government shit on Black people.
What about his speech tells me everything I need to know?
I don't have a problem with facts and Black people being pissed off for being persecuted.

You are absolutely free to believe whatever you want or admire whoever you like. I think Obama is a horrible person and was a worse POTUS. I’m not going to change my mind.

I’m not here to convince you to like Ramaswamy. I was just trying to explain why people who dislike Obama and like him are not hypocrites.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:11 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:08 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:26 pm

Is he aware that the Supreme Court already struck down affirmative action?

Apparently you’ve not heard of DEI.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:39 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:13 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:23 pm

He's not Christian. He may also not be Muslim, but he's definitely not Christian any more than Trump is.

He's absolutely Christian. How does one judge who is "more" Christian than another Christian?
I am extremely confident Obama attends/attended church more often than Trump, Obama can recite more bible passages than Trump, and I am also confident God would feel Obama is "more" (and a "better") Christian than Trump is.

He was/is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, who is a purveyor of a mishmash of Black nationalism and socialism with a few Bible verses mixed in for palatability. His “God damn America” speech tells you everything you need to know.

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:53 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:39 pm

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:13 pm

He's absolutely Christian. How does one judge who is "more" Christian than another Christian?
I am extremely confident Obama attends/attended church more often than Trump, Obama can recite more bible passages than Trump, and I am also confident God would feel Obama is "more" (and a "better") Christian than Trump is.

He was/is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, who is a purveyor of a mishmash of Black nationalism and socialism with a few Bible verses mixed in for palatability. His “God damn America” speech tells you everything you need to know.

Then disqualify every regular American who has learned their spirituality from a member of the Church who did horrible things or who aided in having horrible priests moved quietly off to prey on new communities. Apply your same logic that you apply to Obama to every other US Citizen. Are you calling them "not Christians"?

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:55 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:53 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 4:39 pm

He was/is a follower of Jeremiah Wright, who is a purveyor of a mishmash of Black nationalism and socialism with a few Bible verses mixed in for palatability. His “God damn America” speech tells you everything you need to know.

Then disqualify every regular American who has learned their spirituality from a member of the Church who did horrible things or who aided in having horrible priests moved quietly off to prey on new communities. Apply your same logic that you apply to Obama to every other US Citizen. Are you calling them "not Christians"?

If memory serves, he had no problem with Wright until it became politically expedient to do so.

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:00 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:55 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:53 pm
Then disqualify every regular American who has learned their spirituality from a member of the Church who did horrible things or who aided in having horrible priests moved quietly off to prey on new communities. Apply your same logic that you apply to Obama to every other US Citizen. Are you calling them "not Christians"?

If memory serves, he had no problem with Wright until it became politically expedient to do so.

I typically start out liking people and continue to like them until they give me a reason not to like them. Sounds pretty normal to me. I'd have thought that someone who favors a more self-centered style of government would support that methodology.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:11 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:00 pm

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:55 pm

If memory serves, he had no problem with Wright until it became politically expedient to do so.

I typically start out liking people and continue to like them until they give me a reason not to like them. Sounds pretty normal to me. I'd have thought that someone who favors a more self-centered style of government would support that methodology.

He’s free to like whoever he likes. It’s the ideology, which I assume is what drew him to Wright’s church in the first place, with which I take issue.

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:54 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:11 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:00 pm

I typically start out liking people and continue to like them until they give me a reason not to like them. Sounds pretty normal to me. I'd have thought that someone who favors a more self-centered style of government would support that methodology.

He’s free to like whoever he likes. It’s the ideology, which I assume is what drew him to Wright’s church in the first place, with which I take issue.

Yes, you assume. The facts of the matter are that he knew the Obamas from the late 1980s but did not start being controversial until he gave a heated sermon the first Sunday after 9/11 and then again a few years later. Oh, have you actually READ any of his controversial sermons? They read like an accumulation of YOUR posts. In a sermon titled "Confusing God and Government":

"[The United States] government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie."

That's from 2003. ALL of it has now played out to have been 100% true. And no one beats the "government's lie" thing here more than you. Maybe you're a big proponent of Wright's ideology and didn't even know it. OH, that's right, he shined a light on how much the government has lied about black Americans being "equal" under the eyes of the law. That's when he went "too radical" for you.

Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:49 am VGR's religion should not matter. His crazed, Trumpian ideas do matter. And are disqualifying.

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:04 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:54 am

JKLivin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 02, 2023 9:11 pm

He’s free to like whoever he likes. It’s the ideology, which I assume is what drew him to Wright’s church in the first place, with which I take issue.

Yes, you assume. The facts of the matter are that he knew the Obamas from the late 1980s but did not start being controversial until he gave a heated sermon the first Sunday after 9/11 and then again a few years later. Oh, have you actually READ any of his controversial sermons? They read like an accumulation of YOUR posts. In a sermon titled "Confusing God and Government":

"[The United States] government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to undo Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie."

That's from 2003. ALL of it has now played out to have been 100% true. And no one beats the "government's lie" thing here more than you. Maybe you're a big proponent of Wright's ideology and didn't even know it. OH, that's right, he shined a light on how much the government has lied about black Americans being "equal" under the eyes of the law. That's when he went "too radical" for you.

I stand by my contention that politics has no place in the church. Politicized religion is no longer religion, and, yes, I believe that to be true of conservative churches telling their congregants to picket abortion clinics and to vote for conservative candidates, too. Tellingly, when the Pharisees tried to lure Jesus into a political diatribe, he simply responded "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's." Sounds about right to me.

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:15 am Good post twocoach!

zsn wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:36 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:26 pm

Yippee! More Chinese- and Indian-Americans in institutions of higher learning!! Has anyone seen the Scripps Spelling Bee over the last 20 years?

Maybe it’s விவேக்’s secret plan to turn America into the Spelling Bee