Kansas Crimson

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:15 pm Qousie, you have disappointed Traddie.

he’s better/smarter than this

maybe Cascadia was right all along…

What do you want me to do here?

what's your end game?

what can I do to disarm this?

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:15 pm and seriously, dude…i’m on your side as far as being anti-MIC

but i’m also a realist

if you're anti-MIC, then why are you also so insistent on drinking the MIC Qool-aid? You realize there may be more to the story than the narrative imposed by the folks who see Ukraine as just another payday, right?

and to ridicule and attack anything other than the MIC narrative as you've done, how is that being a realist? Shouldn't a realist try to strive for some understanding that's objectively real, rather than the one subjectively fed to them?

the US deciding to “play nice” and get out of the war business assures one thing: that some other power is going to fill that vacuum

could we expand on this please? Do you have any further insight or analysis to offer?

How are so many other countries able to exist without militant meddling across the entire globe? How is that so unique to Merica and our own MIC?

Merica is thee single biggest militant presence the world has ever seen. By a long shot too! What info or understanding do you have to be so confident that if Merica dialed back our own militancy, then some other country inevitably would instead?

tell me, which country do think would do a better job? (“no country” isn’t a legitimate answer since it isn’t grounds in reality)

I'm not sure. But I'll go out on a limb and guess maybe some other country with a sense of "freedom and democracy" that extends at least slightly beyond militant aggression. Maybe some other country that's made some effort to come to terms with its own identity and history of genocide and brutality. Maybe some other country that actually gives its people healthcare, and housing, and sick leave too, rather than expect its own people to suffer while our tax dollars go mostly toward war, war, war! Maybe some other country that isn't thee biggest police state, with the most and most brutal cops, and the biggest prison population by a long shot. Maybe some other country that isn't so quick to downplay and to normalize white supremacy. Maybe some other country that wasn't thee country that inspired Hitler with their own history of Jim Crow and segregation and deplorable treatment of blacks, natives, and pretty much anyone else who didn't fit the white power agenda.

Among other things...

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:16 pm put another way, i don’t like the US being in these situations, but i prefer it over the most likely alternative scenarios

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:10 pm

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:55 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:40 pm and yeah, i suppose we shoulda just stayed out and let putin do as he chooses

former KGB are known for their morality and ethical behavior

jfc

Do you think Merica is a good example of morality and ethical behavior?

And I know you'll give me shit for this too, but I think there's some question of whether Putin would have ever invaded if not for us arming his belligerent neighbors first, and doubling down every time we otherwise had the chance for more diplomatic measures.

we’ve been over this

putin was bullying the region long before the Eukraine invasion

it’s like you’ve got selective memory loss

and of course we’ve got our own problems. how very putin/trump of you to point them out…smh

Matthew 7:3-5

And speaking of selective memory loss, and of anti-MIC

bear in mind, the MIC was the ones who told us there were WMDs in Iraq.

How'd that work out?

Did you believe them then?

Does that do anything to hurt their credibility?

So why believe them now?

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:15 pm Qousie, you have disappointed Traddie.

I feel bad about it.

I really do!

To trad, and to 99, and to everyone else who might care to chime in, let me know what I can do to improve the dialogue in this thread, and help us all get along on some grander more general level.

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:17 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:15 pm Qousie, you have disappointed Traddie.

he’s better/smarter than this

maybe Cascadia was right all along…

Cascadia was right about what?

I’m bummed that you of all people are insulting my intelligence.

But heck, I’ve never thought I was as smart as everyone else told me I was either, so maybe you’re right.

“The greatest wisdom is in knowing we know nothing.” - SoQrates

If I may ask, am I better/smarter than what?

From my point of view, I AM better/smarter than just blindly accepting some oversimplified MIC narrative. (Like you guys are so eager to do)

And I AM better/smarter than to make it taboo or inappropriate to question or criticize that narrative. (If we aren’t allowed to question or criticize, yikes)

Honestly, I think the reason so many of you are disappointed with me and upset with me is, maybe I’m prompting you to question or re-examine your own views.

And that’s always tough to do!

It’s so much easier to just sort of go along with some pre-established narrative, ain’t it?

Arguing with yourself?

No, arguing with you war pigs.

8 posts in a row…..

Do you have anything to contribute? Maybe comment on the discussion at hand?

Or are you just trying pick up illy’s slack now that he’s on ignore?

Not the enemy here O.

Just pointing out that you seemed to be working yourself into a froth

Cool.

I don’t wanna be enemies with you, nor with anyone else.

And yes, forgive me, I’m worked up. I don’t think it’s me who got me this worked up tho.

I’m just frustrated that all these posters i otherwise get along with are insulting me, questioning my intelligence, suggesting I’m so wrong even though they can’t seem to articulate why, and apparently perceiving me not as me but as some preconceived boogeyman of myself instead.

Let’s all get along, please.

That goes for you guys as posters, and also for the sociopaths who run the world and expect us and our friends and loved ones to fight in and die for their wars.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:32 pm

KUTradition wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:17 pm

jhawks99 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:15 pm Qousie, you have disappointed Traddie.

he’s better/smarter than this

maybe Cascadia was right all along…

Cascadia was right about what?

I’m bummed that you of all people are insulting my intelligence.

But heck, I’ve never thought I was as smart as everyone else told me I was either, so maybe you’re right.

“The greatest wisdom is in knowing we know nothing.” - SoQrates

If I may ask, am I better/smarter than what?

Sorry Oussie, didn't mean to pile on. I thought Traddie's post was funny is all. Carry on.

you're cool, 99. Thanks for the humility either way.

Trad, you're prob my best friend I've never actually. met in real life. That feels funny to say lol.

When you make comments like I'm "better/smarter than this," then go silent when asked to clarify, and also don't bother to address any of my other questions (which I think are all valid questions and concerns), yea, it's disappointing.

I don't think there's necessarily right or wrong answers, at least for the sake of dialogue. free to reply. Or not. Either way, I just wanna get along.

As I said, probably 20 or so pages ago. There's one aggressor here and one on the defense. We're supporting the right guys. Simple as that.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:21 pm thanks for another gaslight bro.

My point is, that article mentions what Merica thinks is best for those regions, and what Russia thinks is best for those regions, and what France thinks is best for those regions, and what Germany thinks is best for those regions, and what England thinks is best for those regions

but no one seems to want to just ask what the people of those regions think is best for those regions.

why shouldn't we?

are we really better off letting a bunch of historical imperial powers decide for them? If so, how do we decide which imperial power is the one who should get to decide?

the article mentions letting the people of these regions vote their own destiny. In an of itself, without getting into the legal technicalities, are you opposed to letting the people have their own say? Or are they allowed to exist not as people of their own independent identity, but only as pawns in some bigger international game?

if we ARE to get into the legal technicalities and whatnot, yea, the whole vote thing might be dubious. Perhaps there's a question of, if Merica really wants to be the harbingers of "freedom and democracy" that we wanna be, shouldn't we be advocating for a legitimate and legal vote for these peoples? Rather than advocating for *checks notes* little more than just blindly throwing more and more weapons at it?

...and, don't get me wrong! I don't wanna concede anything to Russia either!

oh, and speaking of propaganda, I dunno how much I trust an article that leads off with terms like "sham" in the very first sentence. Is that language really of the highest journalistic integrity? I'm skeptical of everything, and when I hear language like that, it strikes me as likely more propaganda yet.

If the people of Texas or in a few counties in Texas want to secede from the United States, do you think the United States should just have no say in that? No, obviously not.

Yes they should have some sort of "say" in their overall status but no, they shouldn't just get to choose what country they want their region to be a part of, especially when the people running the vote are fully intent on a sham vote that will not be trustworthy whatsoever. It has nothing to do with what the US wants and everything to do with what the current government of that region wants. You cannot just let the dummies walking the earth randomly decide things of such massive consequence or their would be constant turmoil.