Kansas Crimson

"Final Fours or nothing"
YT, Buffalo Wild Wings Chad

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:12 am It's not worth bothering with you.
Anyone in their right mind would agree Gonzaga is a successful program.
You're just mad/stubborn you are wrong.

Sorry, but you’re just too emotionally unstable to have serious conversations with.

Kansas Crimson Meltdown

If saying Gonzaga is a successful program, and then bringing facts into the argument to prove such, is melting down, then yes, i'm hot lava.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:02 am Kansas has had 3 successful seasons under Bill Self and one of those may be taken away.

hilarious

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:09 am

Cascadia wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:03 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:00 am
Actual results prove that to be a false statement.

Supply the conclusive evidence

140-13 in last four years ( a recruiting cycle ).
12 NCAA tourney wins.
No 5 star recruits.

Better regular season and tourney record than KU in the same time period.
Significantly better if any wins are taken from 2018.

what was the SOS fur those 4 years?

HCBS hit the nail on the head last night when he said the game had the look and the feel of a scrimmage game.

No fans in the stands is brutal.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:37 am "Final Fours or nothing"
YT, Buffalo Wild Wings Chad

I need that sock name, if I had socks.

I for one am tired of the all-time record for consecutive weeks of being ranked. Definitely tired of losing to Kentucky too.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:57 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:09 am

Cascadia wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:03 am

Supply the conclusive evidence

140-13 in last four years ( a recruiting cycle ).
12 NCAA tourney wins.
No 5 star recruits.

Better regular season and tourney record than KU in the same time period.
Significantly better if any wins are taken from 2018.

what was the SOS fur those 4 years?

Fair argument.
115th. 69th. 108th. 89th.
However, Kenpom takes into consideration strength of opponent, and they finished in the top 25 in Kenpom in all of the years. And 1st in one, 2nd in another.

But a previous argument against Gonzaga's success ( on this thread ) was their lack of NCAA tournament success - and they've done better than we have in that time period.

I think if you asked a college basketball fan to name the top 10 programs in the last decade, Gonzaga would more often than not be in there.

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:19 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:57 am

pdub wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:09 am

140-13 in last four years ( a recruiting cycle ).
12 NCAA tourney wins.
No 5 star recruits.

Better regular season and tourney record than KU in the same time period.
Significantly better if any wins are taken from 2018.

what was the SOS fur those 4 years?

Fair argument.
115th. 69th. 108th. 89th.
However, Kenpom takes into consideration strength of opponent, and they finished in the top 25 in Kenpom in all of the years. And 1st in one, 2nd in another.

But a previous argument against Gonzaga's success ( on this thread ) was their lack of NCAA tournament success - and they've done better than we have in that time period.

I think if you asked a college basketball fan to name the top 10 programs in the last decade, Gonzaga would more often than not be in there.

i agree...gonna have to think on it, but they might be in my top ten too

Hmm what would that top 10 look like?

In no order...first take

Kansas
Kentucky
Duke
UNC
Mich st
Villanova
Gonzaga

Wisconsin
Michigan
Virginia

Probably nees to think about it more, im sure im forgetting someone

Kick one of the last 3 out. Add louisville

I think Wisconsin in the first half of the decade, replaced by Oregon in the second half?

Butler has been more successful than the zags in post season.

I kinda like the whole “Gonzaga elite program” talk, and try to enjoy it while it lasts, cuz it always seems to go away once they get to the “west coast conference mid major cupcakes for 3 months straight” part of their season.

Sparko wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:00 am Butler has been more successful than the zags in post season.

Consistently over the decade? No

Butler has been to more final fours certainly

Butler in back to back Final Fours in 2009-10.
Gonzaga most recently in Final Four in 2017.
However Butler has missed the NCAA entirely twice in the last 5 years - and Gonzaga has 7 more tournament wins in that same time span - and this is without mentioning the difference in overall win/loss records.

10 years and tougher opponents. I put both Butler and Zags in at 9/10.