Kansas Crimson

Rightfully so that Les is on the stand but Jeff shouldn't be far behind. IMO, he should be at the top of the list. He hired the guy. We all knew it was and then 'Miles to Go' and Beaty's (another Long specialty) deposition only confirmed the hiring 'process' was a complete sham. It would appear, depending on who you ask that this information was readily available if you wanted to find it.

If we are talking about the overall health of our Athletic program Jeff, is not making me feel real comfortable with his leadership much less a potentially severe basketball judgement coming soon. He has done nothing but fumble his way through his tenure so far and this latest blunder only reaffirms that.

I'm sure it was written earlier in this post but Long gets one year PER year of probation KU gets from the basketball scandal extended to his contract.

You get 3 years of probation, that's a lot of extra money for Long.

Miles has done nothing but 'start recruiting the right way'.
But then hasn't shown anything on the field - including bone headed calls, clock management and overall boring offense. And can't retain his staff.
Yea, your personnel matters a good amount, but no wins is no wins.

And that's the guy Long brought in.
Could be a good moment to get them both out.

So very KU football.

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:38 am The problem is this: he is a predator with young women students the school needs to protect. Gone IMHO. Long plausible deniability? Maybe. But package deal.

But you'd think plausible deniability isn't really a thing when it comes to this; this was obviously not a secret.

Just have a feeling it was a situation of KU/Girod going after whichever AD could deliver Les Miles, skeletons be damned. That was Long. Long delivered.

KU playing victim card again. Again will cost them a ton of money.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:46 am

pdub wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:41 am “ Do we want to start doing this where, you received a punishment 10 years ago that seemed ok at the time, then the culture changes and now we want to reassess.”

Apparently we do, yes.

I think it's completely backwards to look at this from a "what's fair to Les Miles" point of view; should he be "punished" for past conduct, etc. Fair or unfair, accepting millions to be in the public eye (the millions coming from public universities, no less) means you don't really get to cry "cancel culture" over this.

I care about what's in KU's best interests. To me, that means separating from a guy who was creepy enough to be told not to be alone with coeds, and stupid/broken enough to still do it! But I suppose everyone's mileage may vary on this point.

Do we have any known facts about his behavior?

It's a little early.

I tend to think that, as of today, if the past behavior has been adjudicated, then it is done. The bigger issue, to me, is what exactly happened during KU's hiring process? Who asked and said what and when?

And, of course, it's fluid. If LSU and Miles covered up some bad shit that will come to light through sunshine requests, etc.--we're now in new territory.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:48 am It's a little early.

I tend to think that, as of today, if the past behavior has been adjudicated, then it is done. The bigger issue, to me, is what exactly happened during KU's hiring process? Who asked and said what and when?

And, of course, it's fluid. If LSU and Miles covered up some bad shit that will come to light through sunshine requests, etc.--we're now in new territory.

Here's my guess on what happened with the hiring process.

Long to LSU - Hey anything happen behind the scenes with Les that public doesn't know about?
LSU - Yes kind of but he remained coach and nothing is public about what happened. Fans, players and boosters all loved him until he just didn't succeed at the level we would have liked.
Long - OK so nothing tremendously bad must have happened, I think he's our guy.

Then this all happens and comes to public eye. But I do think some of this is who can get Miles, Long said, "I can" and the rest happened as it happened.

I still can't, for the life of me, decide why his lawyer wanted information released. I know that what was released was a different institution and all that, but the lawyer said, yeah let's release this.

Like, why?

Can only assume it was to protect Miles's interests first and foremost.

Best thing to get ahead of negative press is get out in front of it first. Admit semi guilt, take your lumps and began to repair your image.

This seems different that Les is coming out with guns blazing. I believe he thought that Long would have his back and he didn't. I don't know how they could ever repair that working relationship so one or both are going to have to get to scooting.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:00 am Can only assume it was to protect Miles's interests first and foremost.

I'm not sure I'm saying anything different, but it seems pretty clear that the goal is to poison the notion of a cause termination.

As quickly as KU goes through football coaches, you'd think there'd be just one where there wasn't some negative national press attached to it.

Arguably Gill, but even his fully guaranteed contract and quick exit had people talking.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:15 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:00 am Can only assume it was to protect Miles's interests first and foremost.

I'm not sure I'm saying anything different, but it seems pretty clear that the goal is to poison the notion of a cause termination.

Yes, that's the big one.

And also to distance Miles from LSU. Miles internal investigation is over and the civil settlement ink is dry. If LSU fucked up beyond that, Miles is saying, go ask them.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:48 am It's a little early.

I tend to think that, as of today, if the past behavior has been adjudicated, then it is done. The bigger issue, to me, is what exactly happened during KU's hiring process? Who asked and said what and when?

And, of course, it's fluid. If LSU and Miles covered up some bad shit that will come to light through sunshine requests, etc.--we're now in new territory.

this is where i’m at

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 amI don't know how they could ever repair that working relationship so one or both are going to have to get to scooting.

And this is a good point. It has not looked at all like a united front between KU and Miles.

As of now, I would bet on Les Miles not being KU's football coach for Game 1.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:17 am As quickly as KU goes through football coaches, you'd think there'd be just one where there wasn't some negative national press attached to it.

Arguably Gill, but even his fully guaranteed contract and quick exit had people talking.

Was Weis the "cleanest" split? It was known he sucked, and he drained all the scholarship numbers from the program, but his seemed to be the most clean, I guess.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am

holidaysmore wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:13 amI don't know how they could ever repair that working relationship so one or both are going to have to get to scooting.

And this is a good point. It has not looked at all like a united front between KU and Miles.

As of now, I would bet on Les Miles not being KU's football coach for Game 1.

Agreed. I think it's pretty obvious with that. But the real question is, who hires the next one?

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:17 am As quickly as KU goes through football coaches, you'd think there'd be just one where there wasn't some negative national press attached to it.

Arguably Gill, but even his fully guaranteed contract and quick exit had people talking.

Was Weis the "cleanest" split? It was known he sucked, and he drained all the scholarship numbers from the program, but his seemed to be the most clean, I guess.

The split may have been contractually clean with KU paying a shitload of buyout, of course. But, Weis as a college head coach is a national joke, and KU's ineptitude is now attached right to it.

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:17 am As quickly as KU goes through football coaches, you'd think there'd be just one where there wasn't some negative national press attached to it.

Arguably Gill, but even his fully guaranteed contract and quick exit had people talking.

Was Weis the "cleanest" split? It was known he sucked, and he drained all the scholarship numbers from the program, but his seemed to be the most clean, I guess.

Clean enough to where KU had to pay him something like 25 million not to coach.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:10 am

Sparko wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:38 am The problem is this: he is a predator with young women students the school needs to protect. Gone IMHO. Long plausible deniability? Maybe. But package deal.

But you'd think plausible deniability isn't really a thing when it comes to this; this was obviously not a secret.

I got into an alumni argument--maybe it was Long's alias I don't know--arguing his pure as the driven snow sanctity in this case.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:27 am

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:24 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:17 am As quickly as KU goes through football coaches, you'd think there'd be just one where there wasn't some negative national press attached to it.

Arguably Gill, but even his fully guaranteed contract and quick exit had people talking.

Was Weis the "cleanest" split? It was known he sucked, and he drained all the scholarship numbers from the program, but his seemed to be the most clean, I guess.

The split may have been contractually clean with KU paying a shitload of buyout, of course. But, Weis as a college head coach is a national joke, and KU's ineptitude is now attached right to it.

The bill-of-goods from which the program has never recovered.