Kansas Crimson

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:40 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:21 am Mahomes MVP.
Wish they’d announce all this stuff after the Super Bowl.

“ Amusingly, it is “just” Mahomes’ second MVP award, and his first since his inaugural starting campaign in 2018. Mahomes has been the most valuable player in the league his entire five-year tenure as starter, but the narratives simply weren’t good enough for the media in 2019-21. This year’s narrative included leading the league in passing and aerial scores even though the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins and replaced him with a smattering of role players. Without current peer and quickly rocketing up all-time best lists, Mahomes will look to add his second Lombardi Trophy against the Eagles in Super Bowl LVII on Sunday.”

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/ ... =headlines

Damn! I just read something that might explain why you wish they would announce the MVP after the Super Bowl.
Well, as I have been known to say - all streaks come to an end. Let's hope this one does.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... mes-is-up/

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:31 pm**

Total SBs won by Mahomes set to 3.5.

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:32 pm**

over

only 27

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:33 pm**

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 3:40 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:21 am Mahomes MVP.
Wish they’d announce all this stuff after the Super Bowl.

“ Amusingly, it is “just” Mahomes’ second MVP award, and his first since his inaugural starting campaign in 2018. Mahomes has been the most valuable player in the league his entire five-year tenure as starter, but the narratives simply weren’t good enough for the media in 2019-21. This year’s narrative included leading the league in passing and aerial scores even though the Chiefs traded Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins and replaced him with a smattering of role players. Without current peer and quickly rocketing up all-time best lists, Mahomes will look to add his second Lombardi Trophy against the Eagles in Super Bowl LVII on Sunday.”

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/ ... =headlines
Damn! I just read something that might explain why you wish they would announce the MVP after the Super Bowl.
Well, as I have been known to say - all streaks come to an end. Let's hope this one does.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... mes-is-up/

Posted: **Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:35 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:31 pm Total SBs won by Mahomes set to 3.5.

Total SBs won by Mahomes if the Bears would have drafted him = Probably ZERO.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 7:57 am**

He's the best in the game right now, and can still be the GOAT. Still just 27.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am**

Starting quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins:
7: Tom Brady
4: Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana
3: Troy Aikman
2: Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning, Patrick Mahomes

I am really hoping that Mahomes is able to snag at least one more and get himself up out of that pile at 2 SB wins. He may not catch Brady after losing to him head to head but he can definitely move up a few slots on this list.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:08 am**

The Chiefs had four possessions in the second half and scored on all of them. It was the first time in 94 career starts where Mahomes led the Chiefs to a score on every drive in a second half. And he did it IN THE SUPER BOWL on a bad ankle while playing a nearly perfect half, going 13 of 14 for 126 total yards and two passing touchdowns while also scrambling for a huge 26 yard conversion on the game winning drive.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:45 pm**

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am Starting quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins:
7: Tom Brady
4: Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana
3: Troy Aikman
2: Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning, Patrick Mahomes

I am really hoping that Mahomes is able to snag at least one more and get himself up out of that pile at 2 SB wins. He may not catch Brady after losing to him head to head but he can definitely move up a few slots on this list.

I think if Mahomes got hit by a truck tomorrow, only Brady, Montana and Manning would be regarded as being "above" him.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:19 pm**

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:45 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am Starting quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins:
7: Tom Brady
4: Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana
3: Troy Aikman
2: Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning, Patrick Mahomes

I am really hoping that Mahomes is able to snag at least one more and get himself up out of that pile at 2 SB wins. He may not catch Brady after losing to him head to head but he can definitely move up a few slots on this list.
I think if Mahomes got hit by a truck tomorrow, only Brady, Montana and Manning would be regarded as being "above" him.

And then, only by fans of teams they played for. Mozart didn't finish the Requiem either.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:05 pm**

Mahomes would get up from the truck accident and keep playing though.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:07 pm**

I think Montana Manning and Brady are all ahead of him all time currently.

Personally, I have Manning #2 behind Brady, and then Montana #3.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:17 pm**

I think people get all crazy hyped after Super Bowl wins.

Mahomes is great but still has a ways to go.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:29 pm**

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:17 pm I think people get all crazy hyped after Super Bowl wins.

Mahomes is great but still has a ways to go.

I’d argue he’s a top like 7 QB of all time right now.

QBs for sure ahead of him
1. Brady
2. Peyton
3. Montana
4. Rodgers
5. Marino
6. Unitas

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:39 pm**

Way too high for Rodgers imo.

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:44 pm**

jfish26 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:45 pm
twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am Starting quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl wins:
7: Tom Brady
4: Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana
3: Troy Aikman
2: Bart Starr, Bob Griese, Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning,
Eli Manning, Patrick Mahomes

I am really hoping that Mahomes is able to snag at least one more and get himself up out of that pile at 2 SB wins. He may not catch Brady after losing to him head to head but he can definitely move up a few slots on this list.
I think if Mahomes got hit by a truck tomorrow, only Brady, Montana and Manning would be regarded as being "above" him.

What's amazing is that Mahomes already has the same number of Conference Championship appearances (5) as Manning, who played forever and seemed like he went deep in the playoffs regularly. The list of guys he is tied with at 5 is crazy and he is just 27.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:31 am**

NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:29 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:17 pm I think people get all crazy hyped after Super Bowl wins.

Mahomes is great but still has a ways to go.
I’d argue he’s a top like 7 QB of all time right now.

QBs for sure ahead of him
1. Brady
2. Peyton
3. Montana
4. Rodgers
5. Marino
6. Unitas

Did you consider putting Favre ahead of him too? What about Brees? What about Elway? What about Young?
When it's all said and done, assuming Mahomes stays healthy, I think most if not all of us agree he's going to be top 5, if not top 3, if not #1.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:37 am**

I think if he stays healthy and plays 10 more years it has to, by default of what his average season statistically is like, regardless of postseason results, top 3.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:49 am**

RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 5:31 am
NewtonHawk11 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 10:29 pm
pdub wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 9:17 pm I think people get all crazy hyped after Super Bowl wins.

Mahomes is great but still has a ways to go.
I’d argue he’s a top like 7 QB of all time right now.

QBs for sure ahead of him
1. Brady
2. Peyton
3. Montana
4. Rodgers
5. Marino
6. Unitas
Did you consider putting Favre ahead of him too? What about Brees? What about Elway? What about Young?
When it's all said and done, assuming Mahomes stays healthy, I think most if not all of us agree he's going to be top 5, if not top 3, if not #1.

Better than Favre. The turnovers are just a big part of it. Very overrated. Brees probably instead of Unitas. Elway didn’t win his first title until he was 37 and he has to have a good run game to win the titles. Young was not far behind Mahomes. Young is a top 10 QB.

To play 5 seasons and in those 5 seasons you host the AFC championship game every year, goes to Super Bowl 3 times, wins 2 of those, wins one after trading away a top 3 WR and a bunch of new weapons on offense.

Oh and still just 27.

Posted: **Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:13 am**

Many of you conflate longevity with greatness. Mahomes was brilliant from his first game. I have watched a lot of football. Mahomes' competition is himself and sometimes boredom against lesser teams. We are damned lucky. He took a team that had not been to the AFC championship since Montana five times in a row in his first five seasons as a starter. Without Brady's defense.

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