Kansas Crimson

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:02 pm I wish Biden had not done this.

Same.
It makes him stoop to the level, if just for this moment, of the scum replacing him.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:33 am

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:02 pm I wish Biden had not done this.

Same.
It makes him stoop to the level, if just for this moment, of the scum replacing him.

my feelings exactly

on one hand - I too wish Biden hadn't done this. It's hypocritical, and does make him stoop to the level of the scum replacing him.

But on the other hand - considering the scum replacing him, who knows what kind of hell they might have unleashed on Hunter otherwise.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:41 am But on the other hand - considering the scum replacing him, who knows what kind of hell they might have unleashed on Hunter otherwise.

Correct.
A father that cares a lot about his son sees where this country is going and wanted to protect him.
I get that part too.

was Hunter even in jail?

He was convicted of gun and tax charges in June, and as far as a cursory search indicates, was still awaiting sentencing.

Seems like special treatment. The same privileged shit that has somehow kept Trump outta jail too. Would feel slightly better about a pardon if Hunter wasn't thus far already dodging the consequences.

It was and now is special treatment.

There’s a whole lot of things to go in the, “On one hand, _________.”

However, “On the other hand, someone whose political identity includes attempting to save the rule of law should really not be giving out pardons to family members” is a pretty compelling response.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:33 am

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:02 pm I wish Biden had not done this.

Same.
It makes him stoop to the level, if just for this moment, of the scum replacing him.

Presidents have always done pardons for those who were punished overly harshly or who were arrested for questionable reasons. So at least this pardon fits both of those criteria.

Trump just pardoned criminals because he wanted things from them or they supported him.

I too wish Biden wouldn't have done this but it is at least different.

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:49 am It was and now is special treatment.

nobody is above the law

(unless you’re wealthy, or have powerful friends/family)

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:49 am It was and now is special treatment.

In one (very true) sense, yes.

In another (also very true) sense, it was special negative treatment - politically motivated dirt-digging (goes back to those simpler Trump/Zelensky days!), investigation and prosecution - on the other side of the coin.

When I say the pardon itself is objectively justified, it’s because cases like this would never ever ever be even brought against a rando named Mike Johnson (whoops, bad generic name there).

It is inaccurate to say that Hunter getting no or minimal prison time would be a result of privilege; if he wasn’t Hunter Biden, even if things like this were charged (highly unlikely), he’d never see prison time.

Again, whether the pardon was subjectively right is a matter for debate, and I don’t have a clear answer. But this is a highly ordinary and unremarkable pardon, when considering solely the criminal and the crimes.

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:51 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:33 am

Overlander wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:02 pm I wish Biden had not done this.

Same.
It makes him stoop to the level, if just for this moment, of the scum replacing him.

Presidents have always done pardons for those who were punished overly harshly or who were arrested for questionable reasons. So at least this pardon fits both of those criteria.

Trump just pardoned criminals because he wanted things from them or they supported him.

I too wish Biden wouldn't have done this but it is at least different.

Hunter wasn't punished overly harshly and he wasn't arrested for questionable reasons. He was, by all indications, guilty of these crimes and facing multiple years in prison.

I also "like" the caveat he is pardoned from any uncharged crimes that may have occurred between 2014 and 2024.

This is NOT what pardons should be used for.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:07 am

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:51 am

pdub wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:33 am

Same.
It makes him stoop to the level, if just for this moment, of the scum replacing him.

Presidents have always done pardons for those who were punished overly harshly or who were arrested for questionable reasons. So at least this pardon fits both of those criteria.

Trump just pardoned criminals because he wanted things from them or they supported him.

I too wish Biden wouldn't have done this but it is at least different.

Hunter wasn't punished overly harshly and he wasn't arrested for questionable reasons. He was, by all indications, guilty of these crimes and facing multiple years in prison.

I also "like" the caveat he is pardoned from any uncharged crimes that may have occurred between 2014 and 2024.

This is NOT what pardons should be used for.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... h-00103184

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justic ... -rcna90191

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/in-defense ... den-pardon

thinking about this more, Biden is in a sense just playing by the “rules” that maga (and by extension, those who voted for maga) has set forth

KUTradition wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 8:37 am thinking about this more, Biden is in a sense just playing by the “rules” that maga (and by extension, those who voted for maga) has set forth

And has shown you it will play by come 1/20/25. What do the proposed nominations for DOJ tell you about what can be expected to happen to people like Hunter?

Because justice ain't it.

Again, to be perfectly clear, there is ALSO a very strong argument to be made that all of this makes the pardon, in context, less acceptable on principle.

Democrat voters: making a life out of being gaslit and lied to, and still being obedient. What's that like?

Here is some footage of them outright denying that Biden would ever pardon his son, even though we knew it would happen. Too predictable.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:07 am Democrat voters: making a life out of being gaslit and lied to, and still being obedient. What's that like?

it's like, surprisingly similar to being a Republican voter.

randylahey wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:07 am Democrat voters: making a life out of being gaslit and lied to, and still being obedient. What's that like?

Here is some footage of them outright denying that Biden would ever pardon his son, even though we knew it would happen. Too predictable.

I do have a problem with Joe saying he wouldn't pardon Hunter, and then pardoning Hunter.

Joe should have known to assume that, if Trump won, Trump would turn the DOJ into a taxpayer-funded revengegrift.

That said, I will ask you the same yes/no question your pal dodged over the weekend: whatever "mandate" Trump has, does it cover pursuing Project 2025?

Now that it’s done, the question becomes:

Uncle Joe, why stop here?

There’s how many thousands in federal custody for simple drug offenses.

Heck, there’s this:

BiggDick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:54 am Now that it’s done, the question becomes:

Uncle Joe, why stop here?

There’s how many thousands in federal custody for simple drug offenses.

Heck, there’s this:

I will be pretty disappointed if Joe doesn't clear the federal death row.

(By commuting the death sentences, I mean, not issuing pardons.)