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Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 3:33 pm
by KUTradition
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:16 pm
by DCHawk1
jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:19 pm
DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 1:00 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 12:27 pm
I would note also that schools being daycares, ERs being primary care facilities, and so on...these things are the inevitable result of cutting off social programs at the knees. I believe that is, openly, a pub policy
priority.
This is nutty. You can't go all "rOoT cAuSeS!" and then stop a third of the way back to the root.
Why -- say 50 years ago, prior to any social programs later hypothetically "cut off at the knees" -- were schools able to function as educational institutions and not day cares? Why were ER's NOT primary care facilities?
Social programs -- whatever their merit -- are responses to new social needs. If you're going to look for root causes, you can't stop at the programs. You have to look -- at the very least -- at what caused the perception that the programs were necessary. What caused the perceived crisis in the first place?
Stepping out from the thicket a bit - of course what we're talking about is responding to dynamic environments.
Certainly of the big changes we're digesting, some of them are implicated here:
Sure, some of the issues are implicated there -- although I'd guess fewer than you likely do. Others are implicated elsewhere and earlier. Pat Moynihan identified some of them almost 60 years ago.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:37 pm
by randylahey
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
by Mjl
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
by JKLivin
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
Maybe someone should have told that to Trump late in his Presidency?
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:29 pm
by KUTradition
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
except for the whole blocking Ukraine’s entrance into NATO thing…
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:34 pm
by Shirley
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
By virtue of his name, JFK Jr. is already in the door with dems who aren't aware of what a troubled and misguided person he is. Leaving the party would forsake that and he'd have trouble gaining traction with republicans. Lucky for him, he can always count on a segment of the population with no formal party attachment, who are disaffected and scared, and thereby susceptible to the ignorance he's pedaling, because its contrariness makes them feel powerful and affirmed.
At least, that what some people say...
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:36 pm
by KUTradition
it’s not all that different from people believing jenny mccarthy’s nonsense simply because she’s famous and hot
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:40 pm
by Shirley
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
Maybe someone should have told that to Trump late in his Presidency?
^^^
I think I speak for every American who was alive in '83, that we were almost unanimously certain Trump would invade Grenada like Reagan did, again.
United States invades Grenada, Oct. 25, 1983
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:55 pm
by Sparko
His narratives have long been Trumpian gifts:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/7 ... l-Purposes
Trump went flat-out Mich when the NY Times pointed out the racial component in death rates early on. It was about access to health care. Send 'em all back to work in jobs without even sick leave. Masks became suddenly bad. Then the vaccine. Worst death rate in the industrialized world for the nation of science, business and technology.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
by JKLivin
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
Maybe someone should have told that to Trump late in his Presidency?
Well, considering that he won the election, it's kind of a moot point.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
by Sparko
Russia invaded a European nation if you haven't heard. John Birch used to have you hand out pamphlets about this scenario.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:59 pm
by Sparko
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
Maybe someone should have told that to Trump late in his Presidency?
Well, considering that he won the election, it's kind of a moot point.
Trump was planning, apparently, on invading Iran and Venezuela. They had oil.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:59 pm
by JKLivin
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:29 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm
I'm still wondering - how is he a Democrat?
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
except for the whole blocking Ukraine’s entrance into NATO thing…
I think RFK is right. This is a setup for a land war with Russia. Next step, WWWIII. Welcome to the beginning of the end.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:00 pm
by JKLivin
Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
Russia invaded a European nation if you haven't heard. John Birch used to have you hand out pamphlets about this scenario.
Not our concern.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:03 pm
by Sparko
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:00 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
Russia invaded a European nation if you haven't heard. John Birch used to have you hand out pamphlets about this scenario.
Not our concern.
Russia kind of counted on your lack of perspicacity and empathy.
Hitler was just a guy with a dream to the GOP any more.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:08 pm
by JKLivin
Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:03 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:00 pm
Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
Russia invaded a European nation if you haven't heard. John Birch used to have you hand out pamphlets about this scenario.
Not our concern.
Russia kind of counted on your lack of perspicacity and empathy.
Hitler was just a guy with a dream to the GOP any more.
You guys play the Hitler card so much that it has lost all meaning. Truly.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:15 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:58 pm
RainbowsandUnicorns wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
Maybe someone should have told that to Trump late in his Presidency?
Well, considering that he won the election, it's kind of a moot point.
Sorry! I meant to post this.
and this.
Re: Robert f Kennedy jr
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:16 pm
by RainbowsandUnicorns
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:59 pm
KUTradition wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:29 pm
JKLivin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Who? Biden the warmonger?
This is the strategy when you know you can’t win the next election. Jump into a war and hope people will stick with you through it.
except for the whole blocking Ukraine’s entrance into NATO thing…
I think RFK is right. This is a setup for a land war with Russia. Next step, WWWIII. Welcome to the beginning of the end.
Make sure you tell that to your students and patients.
