Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:46 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:14 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:57 pm

Then the Dems would have hemorrhaged Jewish and Black votes.

The real world sucks sometimes.

I dunno if "hemmoraged" applies, but dems did loose black votes.

and, I don't mean this in a way to marginalize Jewish votes, but, I kinda wonder what the math is here of whether maybe loosing some Jewish votes too (on the specific issue of Gaza) would have been worthwhile if it resulted in a net gain of Dem votes overall for the sake of beating Trump.

Did they really "lose" those votes or were those voters removed from the voting rolls via shady voter suppression efforts by certain states? Did they really "lose" those votes or did things like 31 polling locations in Atlanta being closed for a period of time due to bomb threats have a chilling result on black voter turnout?

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-su ... e-numbers/

Here are key numbers:

4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:56 pm But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:35 pm The issue though is the pro- or anti-Israel breakdown within those groups of voters.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:56 pm Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:34 pm I've already shared one poll that indicated Israeli aggression on Gaza was the main issue among those who voted Dem in 20 but not 24.

I dunno if that concludes that it would have been a net gain, but that certainly seems to suggest something there.

There's also the fact Kamala literally campaigned on a ceasefire-in-Gaza rhetoric. But the thing is, she also campaigned on "Israel has a right to defend itself" rhetoric. That's to say, she was talking out of both sides of her mouth.

But, more significantly, it's what she did do about the issue of Gaza while second in command of the Biden administration.

In light of all that, the ceasefire rhetoric just kinda seems hollow, doesn't it?

I just really think it was, and is, a mistake to downplay the significance of the issue, and now much it affected, and how much it negatively affected, the democratic campaign for the big chair.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:37 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:56 pm Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:45 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:37 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:56 pm Yea, good find twocoach.

Related - I’ve been waiting for the Stolen Election ‘24 bombshells. Almost seems inevitable.

And, illy, to answer your question - I didn’t say anything that specific. But, yes, we have discussed polling to indicate Gaza was a significant issue to voters.

Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

yea, I agree, it's the economy, stoopid.

That is inevitably among the biggest issues, if not thee biggest issue, in any election.

and the economy the last 4 years, I'm afraid, was not something worth bragging about as part of a campaign.

DeletedUser wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:33 pm JFC. He's still going?

This is insane. He has to have nearly 100 posts in the last 24ish hours.

Take a break dude. My goodness.

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 8:54 pm

BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:45 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:37 pm
Polling also indicated it was the economy, which also turned out to be a complete lie.

yea, I agree, it's the economy, stoopid.

That is inevitably among the biggest issues, if not thee biggest issue, in any election.

and the economy the last 4 years, I'm afraid, was not something worth bragging about as part of a campaign.

Good lord. AGAIN. The US economy was literally performing better than all other major nations given the post-covid situation. Was it amazing on it's own? No, obviously not.

So because we didn't go from the complete shit pile Trump left behind to the greatest economy in world history, we reelected the idiot who helped run our economy into the ground, killing hundreds of thousands of US citizens in the process. And he has responded by throwing our country into chaos in part because of dipshits like you still echoing MAGA's faux outrage and carry on like the Dems shitcanned the economy instead of leading the US into the greatest post-covid economic recovery on the planet.

It's fucking insane that we are still doing this ignorant dance while that fucking shitstain tears our nation apart.