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BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:34 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:16 pm then Remy will play the Ginobili role of taking over the ball in one possession clutch scenarios.

Wouldn't be shocked if it is actually Och this year.

I would certainly take it.

Issue is that, to this point, Och has shown that he has neither the mentality nor the ability to beat people off the dribble. Remy has shown both.

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:34 pm

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:16 pm then Remy will play the Ginobili role of taking over the ball in one possession clutch scenarios.

Wouldn't be shocked if it is actually Och this year.

I would certainly take it.

Issue is that, to this point, Och has shown that he has neither the mentality nor the ability to beat people off the dribble. Remy has shown both.

Hard to argue against that take. Och is super athletic, But something is holding him back a little.

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:07 am

CrimsonNBlue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:43 am

BasketballJayhawk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 07, 2021 6:34 pm

Wouldn't be shocked if it is actually Och this year.

I would certainly take it.

Issue is that, to this point, Och has shown that he has neither the mentality nor the ability to beat people off the dribble. Remy has shown both.

Hard to argue against that take. Och is super athletic, But something is holding him back a little.

Mentality you can change, but not sure you can just turn someone into a triple threat in an iso. He just doesn't have that first step. 3 and D guy in the league.

Considering how much time these guys spend on hoops, I dunno how ballhandling isn’t a more common or easier skill to develop.

Just dribble around the gym like every day.

You’ve got trainers to help too!

I’d say skill development may be the easier hurdle than mentality.

But that’s prob chicken and egg too.

I think Och knows how to dribble, but he's lacking something that is given by birth.

Yea.

Dude’s too “nice.”

Apparently his mentality is “dunk everything” right now, so hopefully that means he developed a couple moves to get past his man to begin with.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:33 am Yea.

Dude’s too “nice.”

Apparently his mentality is “dunk everything” right now, so hopefully that means he developed a couple moves to get past his man to begin with.

Was talking about his lack of lateral quickness and first step.

I think you can turn him into an aggressive player. Need Dedric to come back and punch him.

Yeah. Lateral quickness and first step are important.

But I think there are still some moves he could learn to get his guy off balance and get an angle.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:50 am Yeah. Lateral quickness and first step are important.

But I think there are still some moves he could learn to get his guy off balance and get an angle.

That's what the scouts told him. I'm ready for it.

To beat a dead horse...

Ochai might be able to drive better in lineups with two quick guards next to him. Makes it so the third quickest guy guards him instead of second quickest.

Yeah, switches happen all the time and it's mostly pick and roll, but it might be helpful for a drive or two per game.

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:38 pm To beat a dead horse...

Ochai might be able to drive better in lineups with two quick guards next to him. Makes it so the third quickest guy guards him instead of second quickest.

Yeah, switches happen all the time and it's mostly pick and roll, but it might be helpful for a drive or two per game.

In other words, you want to see a lot of weave!

Come to think of it I don't even notice when other teams try to keep their matchups against that damn weave or switch them like we do.

Yea.

I think we’ve mentioned the Selden comparison, where moving to the 3 creates more looks to score

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:55 pm Come to think of it I don't even notice when other teams try to keep their matchups against that damn weave or switch them like we do.

Don't think we'd run it against a team that is not switching as it is pretty much designed to try and exploit the switching.

League wide, it seems almost all teams switch it. Beard and Drew pretty much all the time. I have noticed that it is so well scouted to this point that a lot of teams don't even chase the ball on the dribble hand off anymore. Weber and Huggs will hack at it, of course.

And re: weave, I think those plays are as much about getting an angle for the big man as they are a look for the guards.

So yea let’s run weaves!

…to get the ball to Dave, so the ball stops and the defense doubles and he forces another fadeaway.

Wait, I mean, let’s get the ball to Dave once he has his guy pinned and can catch and lay it in or dunk before the defense knows what happened!

Eh, it's mostly about trying to get the other team's guards to screw up the switch or lose their man. I'm sure there is some 2020 footage out there that shows that team running it to create a mismatch for either Dot or MG to get downhill.

This is old, but a lot of the non-league teams aren't switching it and getting killed when they try to. It also helps having a guard like Mason or Graham who are triple threat every time they touch the ball--teams didn't want those guys switched off of if possible.

Yea, triple threat guards are rad.

So is having Dot and MG/multiple guards in the weave who can take advantage and get downhill, at the least

Poster image for that video - Kansas only down 19 with 5:30.
Let's run the weave boys.

Nice screens Svi

Remember when he hit that 3 against Duke?
And then Grayson missed his two three pointers in overtime?
LOL.