Kansas Crimson

Feral wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:45 am

TDub wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:45 am yknow what would be a bigger impact to what wider swath of people? Healthcare.


after spending hours and hours in the ER last night I watched many many many people clogging up the system with minor things because they don't have insurance and the ER can't refuse care.


That is a drag on the system and it is a massive misuse of resources. Also...none of them are going to pay for that care....so.....it helps nothing.

I have to pay for insurance and ill end up paying some ridiculous goddamn sum of money to be seen for 15 minutes. We are already forced to subsidize healthcare for those that don't have insurance.... even if not labeled that way.

^^^

In order to be granted "privileges", i.e., the permission by a hospital to admit your patients there, in addition to submitting your credentials to prove you're qualified, you also have to sign an agreement with the hospital to admit and care for any and all of those "... many many many people..." who check the None box next to the question Who is your physician?, on the admission form. (Which is why those patients are referred to as: "Dr. Nones".)

In alphabetical order for a 24-hour period, every primary care doctor has to admit all the patients who present to the ER that need admission but have no physician. And just like the patients you do have a doctor/patient relationship with, you see the Dr. Nones and give them the same care until they're discharged. And, "...none of them are going to pay for that care...". None.

So your entire career in the hospital is punctuated ~ every 4-6 weeks by a 24-hour period where the people most disconnected from society and the habits of personal hygiene and the drug addicts and alcoholics who show up randomly at the ER unattached become your responsibility and you take care of them, for free. Sometimes you only get one or two patients in 24 hours and other times it can be in the teens. It adds up to hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years, and while you would hopefully get some consideration, you have the same potential liabilities treating them as you do anyone else. Free. Not free of liability, not free of time and effort and phone calls and beeps at all hours of the day and night from the hospital, but free of being paid. And we all do it and just take it in stride because nobody cares to hear physicians complain about that, or anything else.

So yeah, I agree with TDub, not only because the way it is now the "Dr Nones" by virtue of being on the edges of society delay going to the ER until finally in desperation they show up much sicker than they would if they had national health insurance, but it would have been nice to get paid for taking care of them all those years at three different hospitals, too.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:03 pm So...back to Uncle Joe...

Why's he have strap marks from his CPAP at 1:00 in the afternoon?

Sparko wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:38 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 3:27 pm

Congress gave the Secretary of Education that authority. In law. As per the Constitution. The SCOTUS acted without authority. Expand the court or ignore them may be the only option as they keep blundering along. They also decided a case for a plaintiff without any standing today. They are idealogues and idiots.

defixione wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:00 pm Where do PPP loans fit into this conversation?

jfish26 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:56 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 8:15 pm Regardless if someone wants student loan forgiveness - I don't see how people can be OK with a President single-handedly spending that much of our money.

I do not think executive action in this way was the correct way to address a very real issue.

But.

As a matter of principle, the hypocrisy on the right is outrageous. Where are the complaints about spreading one group’s burden on all of us when the pubs push (or preserve) massive tax cuts or breaks that favor the wealthy and powerful?

randylahey wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 1:38 pm Biden knew his student loan debt thing would never be accepted. But the dems knew what they were doing, they can manipulate some of these naive young people with student loan debt into voting for them in 2024 over these

defixione wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:00 pm Where do PPP loans fit into this conversation?

TDub wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:54 pm we can't and shouldn't forgive it all. We should look at implementing logical steps to ensure fairness in future loans for both the lender and the recipient. Loans are a necessary part of modern life and taking one out for education should be neither a gift nor a lifelong preventative to success.

randylahey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 4:55 pm If the democrat party is serious about wanting to maintain the white house in 2024, they need to unite behind Kennedy Jr

But that will never happen, they will try to squeeze him out. Because he has been at war with big pharma for years

Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:20 pm Evidence free "dumbest thing you ever said" by Randy is a badge of honor. An argument for commuting the cost of student loans is all the money which flowed into the consumer economy and not the Caymans. The PPP flowed there instead

randylahey wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:38 pm

Sparko wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:20 pm Evidence free "dumbest thing you ever said" by Randy is a badge of honor. An argument for commuting the cost of student loans is all the money which flowed into the consumer economy and not the Caymans. The PPP flowed there instead

It's not. You have to be a real moron to think that people who didn't take out loans, should help pay off the loans other people took

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 7:23 pm