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Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:30 pm
by BiggDick
pdub wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:41 pm "the first 7 options will already afford enough weapons, and will already have a game plan established. This part of the roster just needs to be a well-rounded role player, not a stat stuffer focal point-type. It's just reserve minutes...They don't need to be All Americans here."

But why ( or why not )?
Sounds like looser talk to me.
I thought I already pretty much answered this, but - I think it’s better for a reserve big to be a tougher more defensive proven role player on good teams, than a softer more offensive stat stuffer on bad teams.

"Hey would could have a better player on our team but since he's coming off the bench, it doesn't really matter anyways...so let's ditch the All American for a role player."
A bench player IS a role player. But I get what you mean too, take the best talent available.

Say an opposing big is having a game and gets Cole/Dok in foul trouble. Would you rather have Hunter or Sasha to check in and bang with him?

I’d take Sasha. And I think in this hypo that situation is more likely for reserve big man minutes.
Hunter sure is a stat stuffer - but he's 7 foot 2 with a decent wingspan so he bothers players around the rim - and on a team with all those lockdown guards he'd be more than adequate. And it wasn't as if Sasha Kaun was some defensive monster ( of note, Dickinson made a conference defensive 1st team - just not in the B12 - Sasha never did ).
More than adequate, sure. But at the same point in their careers, Sasha averages nearly the same blocks but in nearly half the minutes.

While “monster” is a strong term, I do remember Sasha being a very very solid fundamental X’s and O’s defensive player. I think Hunter has been a comparatively inferior defensively, and at times even a defensive liability.

And then combine him at spots with Marcus? Both bigs can shoot the 3 or pound the rock? Hunter is also a good passer for a big.
I mean, yea sure great, but with Cole or Dok starting plus all the other dudes in this hypo lineup, I just think we’d have game planned a lot more schemes than to suddenly go all, let’s have our backup big start wandering out to the perimeter for jumpers!

And, Marcus is already such a mobile big. Prob the most “score from anywhere on the floor any way he wants” of the Self era. I think the complimenting big mostly just has to create spacing for everybody else, more so than shoot his own jumpers.

Kaun was kinda useless on the offensive end - with bad hands. He scored points from put backs.
With the other dudes we got, we don’t need much more than putbacks out of our backup big…lobs too, for which Sasha has the edge.

I cannot stand Hunter and i'd rather win without him
Sounds like something someone would say when they’re crushing on someone, hard.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:37 pm
by DeletedUser
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:58 am

But Sasha very well might be a better piece to build a contender with, I suppose. Dude was tougher and defensively better.
LOL

Hunter is about to become a 3x consensus All American.

You sound stupid. Again.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:43 pm
by DeletedUser
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:25 am Fuck it...

Dok
Marcus
Rush
Chalmers
BIFM

Devonte
TRob
Frank
Devonte
McLemore
Rush
Cole

Marcus
Sherron

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:51 pm
by BiggDick
Ohhh illy going full small ball!

Yea, in hindsight, since my 8th man is already a big, I might do some wing/forward type instead of TRob.

Guess I already mentioned Josh Jackson tho

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:58 pm
by BiggDick
DeletedUser wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:37 pm
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:58 am

But Sasha very well might be a better piece to build a contender with, I suppose. Dude was tougher and defensively better.
LOL

Hunter is about to become a 3x consensus All American.

You sound stupid. Again.
Who do you think is better defensively?

And, if this team is as deep as advertised, it very well may cannibalize Hunter’s AA chances

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:03 pm
by BiggDick
DeletedUser wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:43 pm
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:25 am Fuck it...

Dok
Marcus
Rush
Chalmers
BIFM

Devonte
TRob
Frank
Devonte
McLemore
Rush
Cole

Marcus
Sherron


Almost surprised you left off Dajuan

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:07 pm
by DeletedUser
Holy crap. Just got through that entire mess.

LOL

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:10 pm
by BiggDick
Don’t talk about Dajuan like that!

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:11 pm
by DeletedUser
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:51 pm Ohhh illy going full small ball!
I went with All Americans, other than Rush... and he's one of my faves so I was biased.

Truthfully, I think I'd like to revise to

Frank
Devonte
McLemore
Marcus
Cole

Sherron
Dok

I think that's the correct list.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:16 pm
by DeletedUser
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:58 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:37 pm
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:58 am

But Sasha very well might be a better piece to build a contender with, I suppose. Dude was tougher and defensively better.
LOL

Hunter is about to become a 3x consensus All American.

You sound stupid. Again.
Who do you think is better defensively?
I have no clue what you consider defense...but, I'll bite....

Sasha averaged 2.3 defensive rebounds and 1.1 blocks per game at KU.

Hunter averaged 8.4 defensive rebounds and 1.4 blocks per game last year.

This is such a dumb convo. 3x consensus AA vs a guy who never averaged more than 19.3 minutes per game (which actually came his sophomore year). Sasha started 6 games his senior year.

What a bizarre way to spend an entire afternoon....but appreciate more evidence that you're not a serious basketball poster on this board. This is pure dumb nonsense. Talking to talk. Lonely and looking for attention.

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:18 pm
by pdub
DeletedUser wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:43 pm
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:25 am Fuck it...

Dok
Marcus
Rush
Chalmers
BIFM

Devonte
TRob
Frank
Devonte
McLemore
Rush
Cole

Marcus
Sherron
But would you rather a guy who averages 13.5 rebounds per 40 and was on a conference defensive team or a guy who averaged 8.7 rebounds per 40 and wasn't because, well, toughness and role player!

Re: 2024/2025 Lineup

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:24 pm
by pdub
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:58 pm
DeletedUser wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:37 pm
BiggDick wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:58 am

But Sasha very well might be a better piece to build a contender with, I suppose. Dude was tougher and defensively better.
LOL

Hunter is about to become a 3x consensus All American.

You sound stupid. Again.
Who do you think is better defensively?

And, if this team is as deep as advertised, it very well may cannibalize Hunter’s AA chances
Hunter was on the Big 10 All Defensive Team.
I think Sasha was a good, mobile big who was versatile on defense but got to come off the bench and not worry about fouls and just go balls to the wall.
Hunter, last season, probably had to be smart about how aggressive he was on defense because, well, Parker Braun was backing him up.

So personally, I might call last years Hunter to senior year Kaun's a wash defensively.
They both are huge dudes - but Hunter is even bigger.

Hunter is also by all metrics a better rebounder. Per game. Per minute. Because he's 7 foot 2!

And all of this is not even mentioning he is worlds better on offense than Kaun ever was.

lolzboat.