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Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:08 am
by jfish26
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:29 am
if we can recognize our electoral system renders certain votes meaningless, then maybe we should be criticizing the electoral system, rather than trying to point fingers at certain voters.
This falls apart at "rather than."
It can be true at the same time that (1) the electoral system deserves criticism for rendering certain votes meaningless,* and (2) voters deserve criticism for casting their votes frivolously.
* It is not really accurate to say any vote is meaningless; there is a difference, to me, between 49.9999999999999% and 50.00000000000001%.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:17 am
by dolomite
Didn’t vote for her because she was the weaker candidate. Thank God and Greyhound she’s gone.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:00 pm
by BiggDick
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:08 am
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:29 am
if we can recognize our electoral system renders certain votes meaningless, then maybe we should be criticizing the electoral system, rather than trying to point fingers at certain voters.
This falls apart at "rather than."
It can be true at the same time that (1) the electoral system deserves criticism for rendering certain votes meaningless,* and (2) voters deserve criticism for casting their votes frivolously.
* It is not really accurate to say any vote is meaningless; there is a difference, to me, between 49.9999999999999% and 50.00000000000001%.
(1) comes across as more of an objective fact. I'll give you that! We agree here! And in light of that, I think the criticism should be directed more toward this, than toward any particular voter.
(2) comes across as nothing more than your own personal opinion...and, once again, a very heavily partisan-intoxicated opinion, at that. And in light of that, I'm not sure how much credit you should be giving yourself as arbiter of which votes count as "frivolous."
But, I get it. Your gripe is apparently against voters who hesitate to play ball within the confines of the electoral system as it works.
So, then, if voters are supposed to make a choice within the confines of the electoral system as it works, then maybe it's time to stop pretending voters have a choice.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:05 pm
by jfish26
No, my gripe is not and has never been “voters who hesitate to play ball within the confines of the electoral system as it works.”
But why stop putting words in my mouth now.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:28 pm
by BiggDick
it's not? Nor has it ever been?
I don't mean to put words in your mouth, so forgive me if it seems that way.
But, I seem to very distinctly recall you pressuring me into "if your one vote was the difference between Trump being elected then how would you vote" sorts of hypotheticals.
That sure did make me feel like you were trying to compel me into the confines of the electoral system as it works, rather than just allowing me to cast my vote as freely as I'd like.
And, just this morning, you suggested certain voters cast votes frivolously.
Maybe I should instead just ask, what then did you mean by "frivolously?"
cuz it sure did seem to insinuate something in particular. But again, don't let me put words in your mouth.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:29 pm
by pdub
dolomite wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:17 am
Didn’t vote for her because she was the weaker candidate. Thank God and Greyhound she’s gone.
Dolomite thinks CJ Giles had a better KU career than Brady Morningstar.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:31 pm
by jfish26
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:28 pm
it's not? Nor has it ever been?
I don't mean to put words in your mouth, so forgive me if it seems that way.
But, I seem to very distinctly recall you pressuring me into "if your one vote was the difference between Trump being elected then how would you vote" sorts of hypotheticals.
That sure did make me feel like you were trying to compel me into the confines of the electoral system as it works, rather than just allowing me to cast my vote as freely as I'd like.
And, just this morning, you suggested certain voters cast votes frivolously.
Maybe I should instead just ask, what then did you mean by "frivolously?"
cuz it sure did seem to insinuate something in particular. But again, don't let me put words in your mouth.
You CAN cast your vote as freely as you like.
Including frivolously.
Which you did.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:33 pm
by BiggDick
ho-lee shit!
speaking of putting words in mouths...
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:34 pm
by BiggDick
also, fish, you're trying to treat your own opinions as facts again.
Remember when you said that's the stuff of the misinformation thread?
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:36 pm
by jfish26
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:33 pm
ho-lee shit!
speaking of putting words in mouths...
Wut? Now I think you don’t know what
that phrase means.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:37 pm
by jfish26
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:34 pm
also, fish, you're trying to treat your own opinions as facts again.
Remember when you said that's the stuff of the misinformation thread?
If you want to argue that a knowing vote for a non-viable candidate is NOT frivolous, argue away.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:40 pm
by BiggDick
yea, I really should have just felt compelled to vote within the confines of the electoral system as it works.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:41 pm
by jfish26
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:40 pm
yea, I really should have just felt compelled to vote within the confines of the electoral system as it works.
That is a conclusion you are free to make about yourself.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:42 pm
by BiggDick
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:36 pm
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:33 pm
ho-lee shit!
speaking of putting words in mouths...
Wut? Now I think you don’t know what
that phrase means.
I'm not the one saying the way I choose to vote is frivolous.
but, ok, you're right.
That particular comment was less words in mouths, and more just gaslighting.
now quick, double down on some comment about how you think I don't know what
that phrase means...as if that isn't oh so gaslighty in itself!
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:45 pm
by jfish26
Again, if you want to quibble with “frivolous,” quibble away.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:54 pm
by dolomite
pdub wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:29 pm
dolomite wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:17 am
Didn’t vote for her because she was the weaker candidate. Thank God and Greyhound she’s gone.
Dolomite thinks CJ Giles had a better KU career than Brady Morningstar.
?
Where/When did I say that?
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:56 pm
by BiggDick
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:45 pm
Again, if you want to quibble with “frivolous,” quibble away.
if we can share opinions, I think the more frivolous approach to voting is your own, apparently cast with regard for little if anything more than partisan allegiance.
I mean, talk about a single-issue voter!
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:20 pm
by Overlander
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:56 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:45 pm
Again, if you want to quibble with “frivolous,” quibble away.
apparently cast with regard for little if anything more than partisan allegiance.
I mean, talk about a single-issue voter!
You should take a break.
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:34 pm
by KUTradition
Overlander wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:20 pm
BiggDick wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:56 pm
jfish26 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:45 pm
Again, if you want to quibble with “frivolous,” quibble away.
apparently cast with regard for little if anything more than partisan allegiance.
I mean, talk about a single-issue voter!
You should take a break.
if i had a dollar for every time…
Re: Kamala! Fuck Yeah!
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 1:43 pm
by BiggDick
I have taken breaks.
guess that means trad might've saved up a few bucks by now?
I think what you guys want, is for the echo chamber of circle jerkers to be able to take shots as silly as "you vote frivolously!" without permitting response and also acting surprised or even outraged if and when there IS response, while also insisting - quite ironically! - that the real circle jerk is actually just one guy.
Either way, it still kinda makes me wonder if that means overlander finally found my Only Fans.