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Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:06 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
PhDhawk wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:02 pm I expect to be a 4 seed or better every year. You're in the conversation for a natty if you're a 4 seed or better, so I expect to be in that conversation every year.

My expectations are not higher than normal with this squad. I had higher expectations in '16 and '20 than I do for this team. My expectations going in to '15 were less.
That's probably a better way to put it (putting a seed on it). Certainly need to be a competitor for the league chip and in the tournament.


My expectations for this squad are pretty equal to what they were for 2020. No one can say they knew Udoka and Dot (and even MG) would be that good in Summer 2019.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:09 pm
by PhDhawk
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:06 pm
PhDhawk wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:02 pm I expect to be a 4 seed or better every year. You're in the conversation for a natty if you're a 4 seed or better, so I expect to be in that conversation every year.

My expectations are not higher than normal with this squad. I had higher expectations in '16 and '20 than I do for this team. My expectations going in to '15 were less.
That's probably a better way to put it (putting a seed on it). Certainly need to be a competitor for the league chip and in the tournament.


My expectations for this squad are pretty equal to what they were for 2020. No one can say they knew Udoka and Dot (and even MG) would be that good in Summer 2019.
I was pretty bullish on both Dot and Dok (probably more based on fandom than trying to claim some basketball expertise).

This team, for me, feels more like how I felt about the '19 squad going in (and going in I thought '19 would be better than they ended up). But there are a lot of new players, and a lot of unknowns.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:14 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
PhDhawk wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:09 pm
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:06 pm
PhDhawk wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:02 pm I expect to be a 4 seed or better every year. You're in the conversation for a natty if you're a 4 seed or better, so I expect to be in that conversation every year.

My expectations are not higher than normal with this squad. I had higher expectations in '16 and '20 than I do for this team. My expectations going in to '15 were less.
That's probably a better way to put it (putting a seed on it). Certainly need to be a competitor for the league chip and in the tournament.


My expectations for this squad are pretty equal to what they were for 2020. No one can say they knew Udoka and Dot (and even MG) would be that good in Summer 2019.
I was pretty bullish on both Dot and Dok (probably more based on fandom than trying to claim some basketball expertise).

This team, for me, feels more like how I felt about the '19 squad going in (and going in I thought '19 would be better than they ended up). But there are a lot of new players, and a lot of unknowns.
I like the Remy/Dedric comparison. I felt Dedric was as sure of a bet as we've ever had as a transfer. Feel the same about Remy. Dedric held up his end of the bargain.

I didn't expect 2020 Udoka to be in that much better shape, so maybe Och can have a similar transformation in his ability to aggressively get to the hole.

But, I also think there are less unknowns than 2019 because of how much we thought Grimes and Dot would come in and both just dominate the league.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:15 pm
by TDub
I expect a 2 seed or better and a legitimate shot at a FF.

What I cannot handle is another non competitive, March blowout to a quick but not amazing team. 2 in a row of those is more than enough for the next couple decades.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:19 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
TDub wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:15 pm I expect a 2 seed or better and a legitimate shot at a FF.

What I cannot handle is another non competitive, March blowout to a quick but not amazing team. 2 in a row of those is more than enough for the next couple decades.
I might be forgetting a season or two, but I think the common denominator to every bad tourney performance is not having our full arsenal of bigs

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:21 pm
by pdub
This season I think we'll finish top 10 in the AP and kenpom.
I would guess a 2 seed - but I expect at least a 3.
If we finish as a 4 seed, ( which means around 3rd place finish in B12 ) then the season'll be a let down sans a miracle run in the NCAA's.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:24 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
4 would be a disaster. Big 12 is going to have 3 teams at a 3 seed or higher. Maybe even 2 seed or higher.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:47 pm
by hasbeen
No reason for this team to be a 4 seed -- the season would be a total failure if they didn't somehow make the F4 from there. My prediction is a 2 but think 1 and 3 are very possible.

IMO, the single most important player is Remy. If he's a baller and able to score but also facilitate a bit more than he has before, then this team could be looking at #1 overall seed come March. We know what we have with a majority of the returners and we know a big weakness last year was PG play -- Remy is the engine. If he's as good as we think, it opens the floor for Dave/OA/Braun/Wilson.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:54 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
hasbeen wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:47 pm No reason for this team to be a 4 seed -- the season would be a total failure if they didn't somehow make the F4 from there. My prediction is a 2 but think 1 and 3 are very possible.

IMO, the single most important player is Remy. If he's a baller and able to score but also facilitate a bit more than he has before, then this team could be looking at #1 overall seed come March. We know what we have with a majority of the returners and we know a big weakness last year was PG play -- Remy is the engine. If he's as good as we think, it opens the floor for Dave/OA/Braun/Wilson.
Agree on all, but even a 3 seed is falling short in the regular season. Going to be AP Preseason #2. KenPom will be kind to this team because it plays defense. A ton of wins are on the schedule.

Plus a 3-seed means that UT wins the Big 12 and for a variety of reasons we don't want that to happen this year. Whoever wins the league is getting a 1-seed.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:01 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
For reference, we have been preseason #1 3 times: 05, 10, 19.

05 ended up as a 3 seed, 19 ended up a 4 seed. Repeat those and we will be plenty disappointed.

Last year's team was a 3 seed, and considering the bad ball in the middle of it, we should expect to improve on that.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:09 pm
by hasbeen
Good call on the 3 seed, but it's possible we're a 1 or 2 with Texas winning the Big 12. They are going to be really good. We could be looking at 2003 again.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:18 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
hasbeen wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:09 pm Good call on the 3 seed, but it's possible we're a 1 or 2 with Texas winning the Big 12. They are going to be really good. We could be looking at 2003 again.
2020 had KU and Baylor both as one seeds. Next best would have been Tech around a 6-7. This year could easily be KU and UT as 1's and Baylor as a 2 or 3.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:19 pm
by ousdahl
Is Baylor gonna be any good?

Didn’t they loose a lot of upperclassmen and key players?

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:20 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
Remy, Och, DMac all on preseason first team Big 12. Remy POY.

A 4 seed and we burn down McCarthy Hall.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:22 pm
by Deleted User 89
for me, i see very little difference between FF and natty expectations

if you’re good enough to expect a FF, you’re good enough to expect a natty

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:50 pm
by pdub
CrimsonNBlue wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:20 pm Remy, Och, DMac all on preseason first team Big 12. Remy POY.

A 4 seed and we burn down McCarthy Hall.
My god.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:20 pm
by pdub
Mjl wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:44 pm I think Harris is really underrated based on the comments here. He's becoming one of my favorite players... Time to hit up pdub...
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Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:28 pm
by Mjl
Sweeeet, thanks pdub. Headband was too difficult I take it?

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:28 pm
by pdub
Oh shit.
I can add that in.

Re: 21-22 lineup

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:30 pm
by Mjl
Whoo hoo!