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Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:33 am Sounds hopeful:

Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg joins MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss how all of the voting data is pointing in the same direction: There’s a “huge” spike in Democratic performance in special elections since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

Have the Rs won much of anything, electorally, since Dobbs?

I don't think it's coincidental at all that Trump is now walking away from the far right on abortion. He knows it's toxic. And - probably smartly - he calculates that he has less to lose from the far right than he does the middle-right (which is the far-left wing of the R party).

That said, he's dead if the far right - mad about abortion, and fatigued by Trump's legal troubles - simply stops participating.

I don't know much about the Gov of PA but Josh had me at, "Look, I'm not going to respond to Stephen Miller that guy's a dope who can't tell the truth."

https://twitter.com/CNNThisMorning/stat ... 95353a71ce

Increased voter participation makes the Rs very nervous. It's almost like they know their policies and the convicted rapist who talks about fucking his own daughter and is a traitor who stoked a violent insurrection won't win a popular vote.

if you are a citizen of this great country. and you are registered to vote. and possess the proper identification. by golly. vote your head off.

if not. sorry. not sorry.

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:23 am if you are a citizen of this great country. and you are registered to vote. and possess the proper identification. by golly. vote your head off.

if not. sorry. not sorry.

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Uncle.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:05 am

Shirley wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:33 am Sounds hopeful:

Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg joins MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss how all of the voting data is pointing in the same direction: There’s a “huge” spike in Democratic performance in special elections since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

Have the Rs won much of anything, electorally, since Dobbs?

I don't think it's coincidental at all that Trump is now walking away from the far right on abortion. He knows it's toxic. And - probably smartly - he calculates that he has less to lose from the far right than he does the middle-right (which is the far-left wing of the R party).

That said, he's dead if the far right - mad about abortion, and fatigued by Trump's legal troubles - simply stops participating.

Republicans have won a number of races, but even in those, many of the democrats have "over performed":

Five Thirty Eight compiled the 30 different special elections so far in 2023. In 24 out of these 30 races, Democrats over performed their baseline. “That says something robust and inspiring about where we stand at this moment,” says Chris Hayes.

‘It’s not polling, it’s real’: Dems overperform in 24 of 30 special elections so far in 2023

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:23 am if you are a citizen of this great country. and you are registered to vote. and possess the proper identification. by golly. vote your head off.

if not. sorry. not sorry.

Yes. It doesn't get more simple than this

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:16 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:23 am if you are a citizen of this great country. and you are registered to vote. and possess the proper identification. by golly. vote your head off.

if not. sorry. not sorry.

Yes. It doesn't get more simple than this

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Nephew.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:22 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:16 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:23 am if you are a citizen of this great country. and you are registered to vote. and possess the proper identification. by golly. vote your head off.

if not. sorry. not sorry.

Yes. It doesn't get more simple than this

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Nephew.

When Donny T gets re-elected, we won't be pestered by that pesky old Constitution anymore!

Paper's please, Mich!

Edit: hugely funny stuff coming from people who refuse to follow public health measures or wear a mask. But a wallet full of privileged privacy act stuff? No problem

To paraphrase Gen. Milley and everyone else mentioned below, trumplethinskin is a "decent guy" for a convicted rapist who talks about fucking their own daughter and tried to overthrow our government and wears makeup.

General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Donald Trump, is set to end his 43-year career as an Army officer at the end of the month. In a new interview out Thursday, Milley recalls how the former president had several "disturbing" moments while in office, including questioning and criticizing the choice to have a disabled Army captain sing at a 2019 event.

A report from The Atlantic revealed Thursday that Milley had chosen Army captain Luis Avila, who is severely wounded after serving in five combat tours, to sing "God Bless America" at the 2019 Armed Forces Welcome Ceremony at Joint Base Myer-Henderson Hall because, to him and several other Army generals, Avila represented the dignity, strength and sacrifice of wounded soldiers. Avila had lost a leg in an IED attack while serving in Afghanistan in 2011 and suffered two strokes, two heart attacks and brain damage as a result of his injuries.

After Trump went over to congratulate the captain for his performance, the then-president asked Milley, who as JCS chairman served as Trump's principal military adviser, within earshot of others, "Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded." He also told Milley to never let Avila make a public appearance again.

"These sorts of moments, which would grow in intensity and velocity, were disturbing to Milley. As a veteran of multiple combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he had buried 242 soldiers who'd served under his command," The Atlantic's Jeffery Goldberg writes. "Milley's family venerated the military, and Trump's attitude toward the uniformed services seemed superficial, callous, and, at the deepest human level, repugnant."

Former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, in addition to other former Trump administration officials, has also argued that the former president has such a contempt for the military that it made it challenging to explain concepts of honor, sacrifice and duty. That sour view of the armed forces, alongside Trump being unfit to serve as president among other points of contention, made Milley's first 16 months as chairman far more difficult than he anticipated.

"For more than 200 years, the assumption in this country was that we would have a stable person as president," retired three-star general James Dubik, one of the general's mentors, told the Atlantic, adding that that assumption not holding water during the Trump administration presented Milley with a "unique challenge."

Despite that difficulty, Milley — who Trump himself has accused of committing treason for his defense of the Constitution before and after the 2020 election and aversion of Trump's urgings to ignore or commit war crimes — refrained from commenting publicly on the former president's "cognitive unfitness and moral derangement" during his presidency, according to the outlet. He would instead dodge the question in interviews, noting that he believes it's not appropriate for the nation's flag officers to discuss the performance of its civilian leaders.

Milley's true views on the then-president did make their way into a range of books, written by authors who had spoken with him and other civilian and military officials on background, after Trump left office. In "The Divider," authors Peter Baker and Susan Glasser note that Milley considered Trump to be "shameful" and "complicit" in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack. They also reported that the JCS chairman feared that the former president's "'Hitler-like' embrace of the big lie about the election would prompt the president to seek out a 'Reichstag moment.'"

Those perspectives mirrored that of several administration officials who spoke out against Trump, including Kelly, who called him the "most flawed person" he has ever met. Trump's first secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, considered the former president a "f—cking moron," while James Mattis, a retired Marine general and the first secretary of defense for the Trump administration, has told friends and peers that he was "more dangerous than anyone could ever imagine." It is also widely known that Trump's second secretary of defense, Mark Esper, found that the former president not only didn't understand his own duties, but didn't comprehend the oath that officers swear to the Constitution, U.S. history or military ethics.

"Mark Milley had to contain the impulses of people who wanted to use the United States military in very dangerous ways," Kelly told the Atlantic. "Mark had a very, very difficult reality to deal with in his first two years as chairman, and he served honorably and well. The president couldn't fathom people who served their nation honorably."

But seriously.....Joe Biden is old.

the trumpaholics are broken, truly

Obviously.

But they're hardly alone.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 pm Obviously.

But they're hardly alone.

^^^

Has there ever been a more clear, logical, and convincing, i.e., "cogent" argument, that "both sides do it"?


BTW, anyone else remember when republicans controlled both houses of congress and the white house and chose to shut the government down 3 times in Trump's first two years? Government shutdowns when a party controls congress and the white house pretty much never happen, but Trump and his "conservative" republicans were able to accomplish the job 3 times in only two years!

If that ain't ownin' the libs, I don't know what is. And I don't think republicans get nearly enough credit for it.

Strong work! Just what Americans want from a political party that controls the strings of government!

The last time the federal government was shut down was the longest in history. It was the 3rd time in two years republicans had accomplished the feat:

2018-2019 (President Donald Trump): December 22, 2018 to January 25, 2019 - 34 days

And why did republicans shut the government down again for the 3rd time in 2 years?

Answer: Because they're so "conservative"?

No, because democrats wouldn't vote for an additional $5.7 billion dollars for Trump's wall.

Which seems kind of odd, since Mexico was going to pay for it anyway...

Yup, democrats are just like republicans.

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:22 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:16 pm

MICHHAWK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:23 am if you are a citizen of this great country. and you are registered to vote. and possess the proper identification. by golly. vote your head off.

if not. sorry. not sorry.

Yes. It doesn't get more simple than this

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Nephew.

When did unconstitutionality of something hinder the MAGA cultists?

zsn wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:23 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:22 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:16 pm

Yes. It doesn't get more simple than this

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Nephew.

When did unconstitutionality of something hinder the MAGA cultists?

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!"
Barry Goldwater




dammit

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:27 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:22 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:16 pm

Yes. It doesn't get more simple than this

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Nephew.

When Donny T gets re-elected, we won't be pestered by that pesky old Constitution anymore!

How about we take a look at article 2 section 4 of the constitution?

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:30 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:27 pm

jfish26 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:22 pm

Take it up with the Constitution, Fox News Nephew.

When Donny T gets re-elected, we won't be pestered by that pesky old Constitution anymore!

How about we take a look at article 2 section 4 of the constitution?

Do you happen to have that in meme form?

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:39 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:30 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:27 pm

When Donny T gets re-elected, we won't be pestered by that pesky old Constitution anymore!

How about we take a look at article 2 section 4 of the constitution?

Do you happen to have that in meme form?

Basically it means biden should be removed from office for taking bribes.

Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:44 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:39 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:30 pm

How about we take a look at article 2 section 4 of the constitution?

Do you happen to have that in meme form?

Basically it means biden should be removed from office for taking bribes.

Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors

I have been hearing about this mountain of evidence related to this.

Got anything else?

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:00 pm

randylahey wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:44 pm

Overlander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:39 pm

Do you happen to have that in meme form?

Basically it means biden should be removed from office for taking bribes.

Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors

I have been hearing about this mountain of evidence related to this.

Got anything else?

Thanks Overlander!
Our resident political genius may be having trouble comprehending that Biden has neither been convicted nor impeached.