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Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:30 pm "lulz"

Hillary Clinton is the most exonerated politician ever

Justice Dept. winds down Clinton-related inquiry once championed by Trump. It found nothing of consequence.

A Justice Department inquiry launched more than two years ago to mollify conservatives clamoring for more investigations of Hillary Clinton has effectively ended with no tangible results, and current and former law enforcement officials said they never expected the effort to produce much of anything.
John Huber, the U.S. attorney in Utah, was tapped in November 2017 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to look into concerns raised by President Trump and his allies in Congress that the FBI had not fully pursued cases of possible corruption at the Clinton Foundation and during Clinton’s time as secretary of state, when the U.S. government decided not to block the sale of a company called Uranium One...

I know, right?

Now that you and Jen Rubin (lulz) have cleared the Trump DoJ of being on a political witch hunt, do the rest of the last 30 years, K?

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:55 am Oh good, Alan Dershowitz!

Can the Dems just name video of Ken Starr in the Clinton Impeachment as lead council?

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:41 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:37 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:07 pm

Nah. I just happen to remember the guy who stuck cigars up interns. cUZ diGniTY.

Sorry, I didn't realize that in your world being appalled when I learned what Clinton did ~ 20 years ago excluded me from being appalled at Trump's behavior, but I do now.

Because


mutually exclusive

zero-sum

scorched earth

rinse

repeat

Settle down.

I lulz'ed at Chikn's statement that Trump "brought" indignity to the presidency. And I merely pointed out that that particular ship sailed a long time ago. Don't get me started on Kennedy and Johnson...

None of that means that Trump doesn't deserve what he is getting. Each incident has to be treated discretely, obviously.

But the idea that the office was somehow dignified before Trump is just...well...ignorant.

I think that's a bit of an oversimplification, DC. But then again you knew that.

Yes, Presidential scandals go way back. Hell, why stop at Kennedy? Go back to Jefferson.

But there is at least a pretense of decency that all Presidents have as the leader of a nation. A protocol if you will. That's clearly where Trump differs from the others. I mean I know you guys love a man of the people who speaks his mind like Trump, but really....

Again, you already knew what I was talking about. But I get it. Never miss out on a lulz opportunity.

Chiknbro but whatabout that one time
Jefferson was all like THESE ACCUSATIONS OF SCANDAL ARE A SHAM! ITS ALL A WITCH HUNT BY CRAZY JOHN ADAMS AND THE PHONY FEDERALIST PARTY! THEY JUST WANNA OVERTURN A DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT, AND IM THE GREATEST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, WAY BETTER THAN THE OTHER TWO! IF YOU HEAR OTHERWISE THEN ITS JUST FAKE NEWS FROM THE LYIN’ PONY EXPRESS MEDIA!


...and don’t even get him started about his non-disclosure agreement with Sally Hemings.

chiknbut wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:18 pm
But there is at least a pretense of decency that all Presidents have as the leader of a nation. A protocol if you will. That's clearly where Trump differs from the others. I mean I know you guys love a man of the people who speaks his mind like Trump, but really....

Again, you already knew what I was talking about. But I get it. Never miss out on a lulz opportunity.

You know the funny thing is that Kennedy was only able to maintain that pretense because the press actively and purposefully covered for him. There are probably a dozen accounts from White House reporters at the time about how they knew how completely fucked up he was, but they made sure no one ever found out. I mean...he tried to hook up with Helen Thomas, for crying out loud.

Johnson literally engaged in dick-size comparisons, waving ol' "Jumbo" (as he called it) around for everyone to see.

And, Clinton...well...cigars, heads of state, spinach dip, oral-to-anal-contact, Yasir Arafat...

Meanwhile, his wife hired a bouncer to be her head of security and he somehow got his fat fingers on the FBI files of 800 Republicans.

Trump appears more ridiculous and more vile than all the rest because everyone, everywhere, even in his own administration, is overtly, openly, and proudly hostile to him. That speaks to his character, no doubt. But it doesn't mean he's especially unique.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:00 pm Chiknbro but whatabout that one time
Jefferson was all like THESE ACCUSATIONS OF SCANDAL ARE A SHAM! ITS ALL A WITCH HUNT BY CRAZY JOHN ADAMS AND THE PHONY FEDERALIST PARTY! THEY JUST WANNA OVERTURN A DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT, AND IM THE GREATEST PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, WAY BETTER THAN THE OTHER TWO! IF YOU HEAR OTHERWISE THEN ITS JUST FAKE NEWS FROM THE LYIN’ PONY EXPRESS MEDIA!


...and don’t even get him started about his non-disclosure agreement with Sally Hemings.

...so close...

If the press actively and purposefully covered for Kennedy, then what do you make of what fox and friends does for Trump?

Is it possible Trump appears more ridiculous and more vile simply because he is more ridiculous and more vile?

We can whatabout presidential rumors going back 50+ years, or we can watch this guy in real time.

if we’re really gonna compare the two, what would be Trump’s “ask not what your country can do” moment?

And finally, somebody put another nickel in the Clinton jar.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:30 pm If the press actively and purposefully covered for Kennedy, then what do you make of what fox and friends does for Trump?

Is it possible Trump appears more ridiculous and more vile simply because he is more ridiculous and more vile?

We can whatabout presidential rumors going back 50+ years, or we can watch this guy in real time.

if we’re really gonna compare the two, what would be Trump’s “ask not what your country can do” moment?

And finally, somebody put another nickel in the Clinton jar.

Fox News isn't the ENTIRE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORPS. You get that, right? THE ENTIRE FUCKING PRESS CORPS covered for Kennedy, who was either loaded or fucking or both almost ALL of the time.

Is Trump comparable to JFK? Nope. Not in any way. Kennedy's drug addiction -- which was an open secret, not a "rumor" -- started with his attempt to kill the literal pain he was in all of the time because of the injuries he suffered in the war. And we all know that Trump wouldn't allow his dainty bone-spurred feet touch a combat boot.

But here's the thing: if you're going to couch your criticism of Trump in the language of historical uniqueness -- "unlike any other," "destroying the dignity that existed," "first and worst" -- then you have to be ABLE to back that up. You can't get your panties in a twist if, after you declare "he's the only one evar to do this," someone responds with actual, factual, historical information demonstrating that you're wrong. Snowflake.

The rhetoric surrounding Trump is so absurd and hyperbolic, that even smart, sane people don't realize it.

Now, to repeat myself, the history doesn't negate or legitimize Trump's actions. It's his own damn fault he got caught, and now he has to deal with it.

But it apparently never occurs to you that THE REASON THE GREAT UNWASHED MASSES DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT TRUMP IS BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT EASILY DISPROVABLE NONSENSE. "Uhhh...wut the fuk is wrong with Republicans? They don't want to impeach trump, despite the fact that I've told them over and over that he grabbed Sally Hemings by the poosie!"

The facts are DAMNING ENOUGH. There's no reason to exaggerate them and undermine your case.

nope

Ousdahl, It was a different era and one that someone like DC really can't even comprehend, judging from his occasional comments to Geezer. I grew up in a neighborhood of new, small houses--all financed with VA loans. All the fathers were WWII era vets, except those that had served in Korea.

John Kennedy was a war hero--the press covered for him in a different way. But, Helen Thomas, seriously? I was a child, but I remember how men felt about Marilyn Monroe. Besides, if JFK's extra marital activities were exposed, then would the whataboutism extend to FDR or Ike? That just wasn't very likely in the 1950s.

But, lawsie, comparing John Kennedy to Donald Trump is really jumping the shark. However, Kennedy had that charisma thing that reading his excoriation of Trudeau, or bizarrely, his mother, and his ongoing obsession with Bill Clinton's sex life, DC really hates.

Helen Thomas, seriously?

I know, right?

Geezer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:22 pmnope

goodjobgoodpost.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:26 pm Helen Thomas, seriously?

I know, right?

You're very sad that you even bother to make that up.

seahawk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:28 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:26 pm Helen Thomas, seriously?

I know, right?

You're very sad that you even bother to make that up.

I mean...you know the fucking internet exists, right?

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ ... ate-097883

seahawk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:24 pm
But, lawsie, comparing John Kennedy to Donald Trump is really jumping the shark.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:16 pm

Is Trump comparable to JFK? Nope. Not in any way.

I mean...lulz?

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:32 pm

seahawk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:28 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:26 pm Helen Thomas, seriously?

I know, right?

You're very sad that you even bother to make that up.

I mean...you know the fucking internet exists, right?

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ ... ate-097883

I've been a woman for quite awhile and the third hand, "My homely aunt had one date with the most attractive, charismatic young Congressman around"...that you even brought that kind of silliness up is just embarrassing for you.

A friend was in a small greasy spoon kind of cafe in Arkansas while traveling and asked the 65ish waitress if Bill Clinton had ever eaten there. Without missing a beat, the woman said, "I slept with Bill Clinton." She then pointed to another waitress her age and said, "She slept with him, too."

A better story than your Helen Thomas silliness.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:36 pm

seahawk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:24 pm
But, lawsie, comparing John Kennedy to Donald Trump is really jumping the shark.

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:16 pm

Is Trump comparable to JFK? Nope. Not in any way.

I mean...lulz?

Saying you're not comparing them while comparing them...

Breaking news, people throw around the word "ever" more than is technically accurate.

All this over "ever".

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:04 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:30 pm "lulz"

Hillary Clinton is the most exonerated politician ever

Justice Dept. winds down Clinton-related inquiry once championed by Trump. It found nothing of consequence.

A Justice Department inquiry launched more than two years ago to mollify conservatives clamoring for more investigations of Hillary Clinton has effectively ended with no tangible results, and current and former law enforcement officials said they never expected the effort to produce much of anything.
John Huber, the U.S. attorney in Utah, was tapped in November 2017 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to look into concerns raised by President Trump and his allies in Congress that the FBI had not fully pursued cases of possible corruption at the Clinton Foundation and during Clinton’s time as secretary of state, when the U.S. government decided not to block the sale of a company called Uranium One...

I know, right?

Now that you and Jen Rubin (lulz) have cleared the Trump DoJ of being on a political witch hunt, do the rest of the last 30 years, K?

"the last 30 years". Well, 1992, when the first look into Whitewater started, is only ~ 28 years ago, but...

You mean those three separate Whitewater investigations which resulted in a total of ZERO charges against Hillary or Bill?

And the ten investigations into Benghazi, six by republican-controlled congressional committees that also resulted in ZERO charges against Hillary?

Let's review:

Three separate Whitewater investigations in the 1990s: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

Trump Justice Dept. investigation into Uranium One deal: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

Trump Justice Dept. investigation into the Clinton Foundation: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

FBI investigation into "her emails": Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

Total: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

lulz

And as far as your weak attempt to exonerate Trump's weaponization of the DoJ against his political opponents: "Now that you and Jen Rubin (lulz) have cleared the Trump DoJ of being on a political witch hunt..."

that's just sad.

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:02 pm

DCHawk1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:04 pm

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:30 pm "lulz"

Hillary Clinton is the most exonerated politician ever

Justice Dept. winds down Clinton-related inquiry once championed by Trump. It found nothing of consequence.

A Justice Department inquiry launched more than two years ago to mollify conservatives clamoring for more investigations of Hillary Clinton has effectively ended with no tangible results, and current and former law enforcement officials said they never expected the effort to produce much of anything.
John Huber, the U.S. attorney in Utah, was tapped in November 2017 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions to look into concerns raised by President Trump and his allies in Congress that the FBI had not fully pursued cases of possible corruption at the Clinton Foundation and during Clinton’s time as secretary of state, when the U.S. government decided not to block the sale of a company called Uranium One...

I know, right?

Now that you and Jen Rubin (lulz) have cleared the Trump DoJ of being on a political witch hunt, do the rest of the last 30 years, K?

"the last 30 years". Well, 1992, when the first look into Whitewater started, is only ~ 28 years ago, but...

You mean those three separate Whitewater investigations which resulted in a total of ZERO charges against Hillary or Bill?

And the ten investigations into Benghazi, six by republican-controlled congressional committees that also resulted in ZERO charges against Hillary?

Let's review:

Three separate Whitewater investigations in the 1990s: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

Trump Justice Dept. investigation into Uranium One deal: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

Trump Justice Dept. investigation into the Clinton Foundation: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

FBI investigation into "her emails": Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

Total: Zero charges against Hillary Clinton.

lulz

And as far as your weak attempt to exonerate Trump's weaponization of the DoJ against his political opponents: "Now that you and Jen Rubin (lulz) have cleared the Trump DoJ of being on a political witch hunt..."

that's just sad.

Thank you for this.