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Re: This Team
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:26 pm
by sdoyel
Vick taking 17 shots means he is engaged.
Re: This Team
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:34 pm
by CrimsonNBlue
sdoyel wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:26 pm
Vick taking 17 shots means he is engaged.
Bingo. His jump shooting make percentage this season has been pretty consistent.
What hasn't been is his field goal attempts and that's when he has the stinker games. He's generally very inconsistent in picking games that he's going to insert himself into the offense. Beyond frustrating because this team needs it. Bill doesn't seem to want to pay him but he knows he has to.
Re: This Team
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:40 pm
by ousdahl
so what are you saying, bench him?!
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:12 am
by Deleted User 89
maybe i’m wrong, but it seemed like everyone’s focus and intensity took a hit when vick was reinserted
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:16 am
by Geezer
Self has to fix the Vick problem. He played just 19 minutes Tuesday night and was benched for most of the first half after a string of defensive breakdowns. Kansas was 23 points worse than K-State with Vick on the floor, and 16 points better with him on the bench.
Sam in the Star.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:20 am
by pdub
Plus minus is a fail of a stat ( I don’t think it should be listed in box scores ) but yes, in order to win the B12, he will need to get the best of Vick, if that’s possible at this point.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:26 am
by twocoach
This team without Dok is maybe the 4th best team in the Big 12, a 6-7 seed in the tourney and a first weekend loser. Our accomplishments with Dok might prop us up to a 5 seed.
I think we win out at home but only win 1 more road game.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:27 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:20 am
Plus minus is a fail of a stat ( I don’t think it should be listed in box scores ) but yes, in order to win the B12, he will need to get the best of Vick, if that’s possible at this point.
Maybe let’s not hear so much about senior leadership for a while.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 am
by pdub
Again, if you want that bet twocoach, I’m your man.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:38 am
by pdub
Agreed that this team doesn’t have a leader and the obvious choice should be an upperclassman. Vick’s the senior.
But the Vick blaming is out of control.
Both can be true ( and are ).
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:41 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:38 am
Agreed that this team doesn’t have a leader and the obvious choice should be an upperclassman. Vick’s the senior.
But the Vick blaming is out of control.
Both can be true ( and are ).
I don’t think it’s out of control at all. Expectations for Vick SHOULD be higher than for Dotson and Agbaji, for very obvious reasons. And lord knows that to the extent Vick is on thin ice with fans (and the staff), he’s more than earned that position.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:53 am
by pdub
He’s having as good a season as Svi and Malik statistically but he’s doing so without a Devonte Graham and minus Udoka and DeSousa ( and respectively a Svi or Malik ).
He’s not as bad as people are making him out to be. We are just loosing and looking for someone to blame. It’s the team. Vick is this teams second or third best player statistically.
We would have a worse record right now without Vick. The guy to shit on would fall to Garrett or Grimes I guess.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:56 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:53 am
He’s having as good a season as Svi and Malik statistically but he’s doing so without a Devonte Graham and minus Udoka and DeSousa ( and respectively a Svi or Malik ).
He’s not as bad as people are making him out to be. We are just loosing and looking for someone to blame. It’s the team. Vick is this teams second or third best player statistically.
We would have a worse record right now without Vick. The guy to shit on would fall to Garrett or Grimes I guess.
When you say he’s having a season comparable to those guys’, you’re using Vick’s full season stats, right?
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:58 am
by twocoach
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 am
Again, if you want that bet twocoach, I’m your man.
Based on what actual performance? We have played well in what, one game in Big 12 play? Maybe 2 if you count our narrow win vs. ISU where outside of one amazing 4 minute streak, they were the better team?
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:01 am
by Deleted User 89
and there is no way to know we’d be worse without vick
maybe likely, but not definitely
i’d say there’s a pretty good chance we wouldn’t be having all these questions about leadership if vick had just stayed gone. i’m sure most on the team expect/ed him to fill that role
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:05 am
by pdub
We’d have a worse record without Vick.
I don’t doubt it.
And twocoach, if KU finishes 4th, you win, if they finish 3rd or higher, I win.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:06 am
by pdub
I don’t recall this much unified blame on one guy since Elijah or Tharpe and those dudes were worse than Vick.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:11 am
by jfish26
pdub wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:06 am
I don’t recall this much unified blame on one guy since Elijah or Tharpe and those dudes were worse than Vick.
A ringing endorsement.
Vick collects just enough buckets to keep his scoring numbers high enough to mask the emptiness of the rest of his game (both in terms of things that can be counted, like his shit assist and steal numbers, and things that are tougher to count, like his frequent defensive lapses and general lack of engagement on both ends).
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:17 am
by pdub
Shit assist and steal numbers.
Same steals per game as player B and more steals per game than player C.
.8 fewer assists per game than player B and .2 fewer assists per game than player C.
Re: This Team
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:20 am
by pdub
And 'collecting buckets' is what this team needs.