Kansas Crimson

The US for profit healthcare is going to follow the money and there ain't no money in Tonganoxie.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:15 pm they should receive their proportional share, based on need

doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening at all, presuming the reports are true

They're still having to cancel elective procedures, which is killing the bottom line. At least that's what a buddy who works for a hospital in Duluth was telling me.

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:53 pm seems like states have been cutting funding to rural hospitals since long before this mess

Prisons or hospitals?

Hospitals provide no ability to count patients as residents for purposes of gerrymandering.

In my life of many trips to the hospital, none were elective. How many boob jobs and face lifts do the hospitals need?

Geezer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:51 pm In my life of many trips to the hospital, none were elective. How many boob jobs and face lifts do the hospitals need?

You'd be surprised at what's considered "elective" in the present climate.

^^^

Also, Id rather help hospitals than airlines. Let the airlines fail, save the hospitals. It just seems like an odd thing to be upset about.

the airlines wouldn't necessarily fail. They would simply have to sell some stocks and/or put assets down as collateral to get a bank loan, except that big business hates capitalism.

Why then are the hospitals not taking "elective" surgeries and laying people off? Is there some mandate that they commit financial suicide or are people just not going to the doctor?

I know that in Oregon and Washington all non-life saving surgeries are banned currently.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:11 am the airlines wouldn't necessarily fail. They would simply have to sell some stocks and/or put assets down as collateral to get a bank loan, except that big business hates capitalism.

Even more reason to not bail out the airlines and to spend that money on the hospitals

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:29 am I know that in Oregon and Washington all non-life saving surgeries are banned currently.

Same in Illinois, as well as many others I presume

I have a buddy in iowa that is an ear/nose/throat surgeon. Same thing. Hes had 2 surgeries since this started that was allowed to be performed.

Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:07 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:15 pm they should receive their proportional share, based on need

doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening at all, presuming the reports are true

They're still having to cancel elective procedures, which is killing the bottom line. At least that's what a buddy who works for a hospital in Duluth was telling me.

but that’s not a unique situation for them

all hospitals are in that same boat

everyone should get as much help as reasonably possible, whether big or small

TDub wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 am Also, Id rather help hospitals than airlines. Let the airlines fail, save the hospitals. It just seems like an odd thing to be upset about.

^^^^^^^^^

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:03 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:07 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:15 pm they should receive their proportional share, based on need

doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening at all, presuming the reports are true

They're still having to cancel elective procedures, which is killing the bottom line. At least that's what a buddy who works for a hospital in Duluth was telling me.

but that’s not a unique situation for them

all hospitals are in that same boat

everyone should get as much help as reasonably possible, whether big or small

Socialist.

you caught me

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:03 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:07 pm

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:15 pm they should receive their proportional share, based on need

doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening at all, presuming the reports are true

They're still having to cancel elective procedures, which is killing the bottom line. At least that's what a buddy who works for a hospital in Duluth was telling me.

but that’s not a unique situation for them

all hospitals are in that same boat

everyone should get as much help as reasonably possible, whether big or small

Sure, sure. I had thought you were saying the hospitals that aren't dealing with the 'rona shouldn't be getting aid. My mistake.

Mjl wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:52 am

TraditionKU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:03 am

Mjl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:07 pm

They're still having to cancel elective procedures, which is killing the bottom line. At least that's what a buddy who works for a hospital in Duluth was telling me.

but that’s not a unique situation for them

all hospitals are in that same boat

everyone should get as much help as reasonably possible, whether big or small

Sure, sure. I had thought you were saying the hospitals that aren't dealing with the 'rona shouldn't be getting aid. My mistake.

not your mistake at all, just difficult to read between the lines

my wife was supposed to have a second eye surgery right before shit hit the fan...like, second week of march i think. it’s deemed “elective” and so was postponed indefinitely. utah, and SLC is in pretty good shape as far as covid-based strain on the local healthcare system, but 1) better to be safe than sorry as far as subjecting one’s self to elevated risk unnecessarily, and 2) no need to pull resources (PPE and people) from the “front lines” for non-essential proceedures

It's somewhat reassuring to know that as far as I can tell, it's your surgeon and not some administrator or bureaucrat who decides whether your surgery can wait, or not.

...In 2011, surgical stays accounted for roughly 48 percent of hospitalization costs, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality reported...

Another source I came across said that in 2009, there were 48 million surgeries performed in the US.
(Don't know if that was only hospital-based surgeries, or if it included ambulatory surgery centers too. My guess is, that the figure includes both.)