Kansas Crimson

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:26 pm

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am This is getting fucking maddening.

A new Pew poll shows that nearly 30% of Americans polled still think that this virus was man-made in a lab. Gee, I wonder what percentage of them vote Team (R)?

The disinformation campaign continues to work on a shockingly large chunk of Americans. And what's worse is that much of that chunk probably considers themselves to be better informed than everyone else because they see what's "really" happening. So sad and dangerous.

PhDhawk wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:43 pm

twocoach wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:26 pm

chiknbut wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:45 am This is getting fucking maddening.

A new Pew poll shows that nearly 30% of Americans polled still think that this virus was man-made in a lab. Gee, I wonder what percentage of them vote Team (R)?

The disinformation campaign continues to work on a shockingly large chunk of Americans. And what's worse is that much of that chunk probably considers themselves to be better informed than everyone else because they see what's "really" happening. So sad and dangerous.

Here's the paper that shows it wasn't likely man-made.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Though, this doesn't rule it out entirely, it shows pretty convincingly that it wasn't man made in the sense of splicing certain genes into an existing virus to make it more lethal or make it become a human pathogen in vitro.

There are other methods you could use to select for viruses that "naturally" jump hosts in a lab though, that wouldn't have these markers. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but there are ways you could do this to make it look like a natural occurence rather than just using modern genetics to make a superbug.

This isn't the conspiracy theorist in me, it's the scientist in me trying to think of every possible possibility before you make any kind of assumption.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:40 am oh! this happened a couple weeks ago but I never got around to ranting about it.

so I live in a rural wooded neighborhood on the edge of town. At the corner of my block is a trail on a private conservation easement. The landowners, my neighbors, have generously granted permission for public use of the trail on their land.

This trail conveniently connects the neighborhood to many more miles of trails on public land. Though there are other trailheads to access this public land, this one is the quickest and easiest access point, as all the other trails are a steep climb into the national forest.

I consider these trails my neighborhood "home trails," one of the perks of why I choose to live here, and worthy of the tradeoff of otherwise living elsewhere. Particularly in the winter, I spend more time on these trails than anyone. With that said, the trails are popular, and I'm hardly the only user even if there isn't a pandemic. But as soon as the pandemic shit hit the fan and ski resorts closed, suddenly tens of thousands of entitled weekend warriors needed somewhere new to recreate.

The trails got overwhelmed, with several times the volume of even a busy weekend otherwise. So many folks flooded the trails that it became impossible to social distance. Though the end of the block is posted with "no parking" signs that were never very respected in the first place, the block suddenly had dozens of cars parallel parking up and down both sides of the road. Because of the suddenly high volume of users, I made the decision to avoid my own neighborhood trails.

Then a couple weeks ago the landowners, my neighbors, got concerned enough to speak up. They walked the trails and reminded to social distance. At the trailhead they suggested folks go elsewhere once things got congested and the parking became a mess.

Enter the worst people in the world! According to the owners, many trail users were shamelessly disrespectful. When the landowners explained it's private land and they're throwing the public a bone by allowing use, folks challenged the notion, alleging the landowners didn't actually have the authority to take away permission from the public. Many users were also disobeying other posted rules, such as wandering off trail and letting dogs run off leash and not picking up their shit. And when the landowners called folks out, folks got confrontational.

So the landowners said, screw you guys, we're taking away permission, trail's closed, y'all are why we can't have nice things. Now the end of the block is roped off and posted with a bunch of forbidding signs, as well as 3x as many new "No Parking" signs. And now, to access the public land a block from my house, I have to drive to the next town over and climb up a big hill to get there.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:27 am and now the local post office is complaining about an uptick in PO box applications over the last few weeks.

Fucking second homeowners.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:04 pm are you here right now? or did you come up?

don't get me wrong. I don't want to deprive anyone of their property, and would welcome the tourist dollars any other time.

but in case no one has heard, there's a FUCKING PANDEMIC going on.

Here, this article articulates it well:

Dear second homeowners and vacation renters, shelter in place literally means shelter in place. It does not mean shelter in place here and then shelter in place there. The way we slow down COVID is to minimize clusters of the virus. Right now, as far as we know, Grand County is not a cluster, but every time you drive over Berthoud Pass or to Summit County that becomes less likely. Being on the Front Range during the week and coming to your second home on the weekend is unnecessary travel...

https://www.skyhinews.com/news/letter-p ... right-now/

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:33 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:40 am oh! this happened a couple weeks ago but I never got around to ranting about it.

so I live in a rural wooded neighborhood on the edge of town. At the corner of my block is a trail on a private conservation easement. The landowners, my neighbors, have generously granted permission for public use of the trail on their land.

This trail conveniently connects the neighborhood to many more miles of trails on public land. Though there are other trailheads to access this public land, this one is the quickest and easiest access point, as all the other trails are a steep climb into the national forest.

I consider these trails my neighborhood "home trails," one of the perks of why I choose to live here, and worthy of the tradeoff of otherwise living elsewhere. Particularly in the winter, I spend more time on these trails than anyone. With that said, the trails are popular, and I'm hardly the only user even if there isn't a pandemic. But as soon as the pandemic shit hit the fan and ski resorts closed, suddenly tens of thousands of entitled weekend warriors needed somewhere new to recreate.

The trails got overwhelmed, with several times the volume of even a busy weekend otherwise. So many folks flooded the trails that it became impossible to social distance. Though the end of the block is posted with "no parking" signs that were never very respected in the first place, the block suddenly had dozens of cars parallel parking up and down both sides of the road. Because of the suddenly high volume of users, I made the decision to avoid my own neighborhood trails.

Then a couple weeks ago the landowners, my neighbors, got concerned enough to speak up. They walked the trails and reminded to social distance. At the trailhead they suggested folks go elsewhere once things got congested and the parking became a mess.

Enter the worst people in the world! According to the owners, many trail users were shamelessly disrespectful. When the landowners explained it's private land and they're throwing the public a bone by allowing use, folks challenged the notion, alleging the landowners didn't actually have the authority to take away permission from the public. Many users were also disobeying other posted rules, such as wandering off trail and letting dogs run off leash and not picking up their shit. And when the landowners called folks out, folks got confrontational.

So the landowners said, screw you guys, we're taking away permission, trail's closed, y'all are why we can't have nice things. Now the end of the block is roped off and posted with a bunch of forbidding signs, as well as 3x as many new "No Parking" signs. And now, to access the public land a block from my house, I have to drive to the next town over and climb up a big hill to get there.

It is indeed crappy. It is also what happens when people are cut off from their lives and livelihoods with no hope and no end in sight. Good leadership casts a vision and offers hope and timelines. People like Dr. Fauci just say "It's really bad and not getting better. Stay put and we'll tell you when you can come out." You can be the smartest scientist in the world, but if you don't understand the human psyche, you are begging for this kind of outcome and much worse.

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:04 pm are you here right now? or did you come up?

don't get me wrong. I don't want to deprive anyone of their property, and would welcome the tourist dollars any other time.

but in case no one has heard, there's a FUCKING PANDEMIC going on.

Here, this article articulates it well:

Dear second homeowners and vacation renters, shelter in place literally means shelter in place. It does not mean shelter in place here and then shelter in place there. The way we slow down COVID is to minimize clusters of the virus. Right now, as far as we know, Grand County is not a cluster, but every time you drive over Berthoud Pass or to Summit County that becomes less likely. Being on the Front Range during the week and coming to your second home on the weekend is unnecessary travel...

https://www.skyhinews.com/news/letter-p ... right-now/

Feral wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:15 pm

HouseDivided wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:33 am

ousdahl wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:40 am oh! this happened a couple weeks ago but I never got around to ranting about it.

so I live in a rural wooded neighborhood on the edge of town. At the corner of my block is a trail on a private conservation easement. The landowners, my neighbors, have generously granted permission for public use of the trail on their land.

This trail conveniently connects the neighborhood to many more miles of trails on public land. Though there are other trailheads to access this public land, this one is the quickest and easiest access point, as all the other trails are a steep climb into the national forest.

I consider these trails my neighborhood "home trails," one of the perks of why I choose to live here, and worthy of the tradeoff of otherwise living elsewhere. Particularly in the winter, I spend more time on these trails than anyone. With that said, the trails are popular, and I'm hardly the only user even if there isn't a pandemic. But as soon as the pandemic shit hit the fan and ski resorts closed, suddenly tens of thousands of entitled weekend warriors needed somewhere new to recreate.

The trails got overwhelmed, with several times the volume of even a busy weekend otherwise. So many folks flooded the trails that it became impossible to social distance. Though the end of the block is posted with "no parking" signs that were never very respected in the first place, the block suddenly had dozens of cars parallel parking up and down both sides of the road. Because of the suddenly high volume of users, I made the decision to avoid my own neighborhood trails.

Then a couple weeks ago the landowners, my neighbors, got concerned enough to speak up. They walked the trails and reminded to social distance. At the trailhead they suggested folks go elsewhere once things got congested and the parking became a mess.

Enter the worst people in the world! According to the owners, many trail users were shamelessly disrespectful. When the landowners explained it's private land and they're throwing the public a bone by allowing use, folks challenged the notion, alleging the landowners didn't actually have the authority to take away permission from the public. Many users were also disobeying other posted rules, such as wandering off trail and letting dogs run off leash and not picking up their shit. And when the landowners called folks out, folks got confrontational.

So the landowners said, screw you guys, we're taking away permission, trail's closed, y'all are why we can't have nice things. Now the end of the block is roped off and posted with a bunch of forbidding signs, as well as 3x as many new "No Parking" signs. And now, to access the public land a block from my house, I have to drive to the next town over and climb up a big hill to get there.

It is indeed crappy. It is also what happens when people are cut off from their lives and livelihoods with no hope and no end in sight. Good leadership casts a vision and offers hope and timelines. People like Dr. Fauci just say "It's really bad and not getting better. Stay put and we'll tell you when you can come out." You can be the smartest scientist in the world, but if you don't understand the human psyche, you are begging for this kind of outcome and much worse.

Or, more likely, "people like Dr. Fauci" make the mistake of overestimating the emotional maturity of the average American "human psyche".

defixione wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:46 pm I'm wondering how any of these people would even consider reelecting DJT. Crap, he almost killed them.

imzcount wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:08 pm

defixione wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:46 pm I'm wondering how any of these people would even consider reelecting DJT. Crap, he almost killed them.

More FAKE NEWS!